poll - high mileage civics, what oil U burn ?

tell my gf that next time she's insisting we sort through the garbage.
i'm all for recycling where possible, and motor oil actually /is/ a
candidate, but domestic stuff like oj containers, bags, cartons, etc???
i say forget it.

 

tell my gf that next time she's insisting we sort through the garbage.
i'm all for recycling where possible, and motor oil actually /is/ a
candidate, but domestic stuff like oj containers, bags, cartons, etc???
i say forget it.

 

i have a re-useable coffe cup (i.e. hard ceramic like thing) that claims to
be made from recycled paper ?

robb

 

i have a re-useable coffe cup (i.e. hard ceramic like thing) that claims to
be made from recycled paper ?

robb

 

Date: Mon, Jan 16 2006 7:34 pm

There is a misconception, more clearly expressed in the
message dated Jan 16, 7:18 pm: no matter how much is
spent on cleaning "used" oil it is not possible to make
synthetic out of it. This "interesting idea" is useless
because it doesn't work.

 

Date: Mon, Jan 16 2006 7:34 pm

There is a misconception, more clearly expressed in the
message dated Jan 16, 7:18 pm: no matter how much is
spent on cleaning "used" oil it is not possible to make
synthetic out of it. This "interesting idea" is useless
because it doesn't work.

 

It won't normally say on the bottle, just on the MSDS, which I can't find
for Canada.

We used very little resins before recycled hit big-time. Now they're
necessary to tie stuff together without using too much virgin.

They've found a way. Just how I don't know, since I come in contact with
the stuff after the mill.

Ten-fifteen years ago we had awful problems with dust and warpage. Most of
those have been more-or-less fixed (at great expense).

Corrugated also gets nearly 100% usage out of the trees. We pulp them
entirely, so stuff like splits and knots are meaningless.

The stupid thing is that nobody seems to know that just about all the trees
used for paper are FARMED for that purpose. About 85% the last time I
looked, anyway. Recycling paper to "save trees" makes as much sense as
refusing to eat corn in order to "save" corn plants. Paper recycling is
idiotic, but it's been sold to the public so effectively that you can't
counter the nonsense.

No idea. I never took chemistry.

This brings up another point though, that being a reason you're supposed to
change your manual tranny oil every so often: It seems gear action actually
chops up long polymer chains, so tranny oil has less and less film strength
the older it gets, and relies more and more on the sulfur and zinc
additives. Read that in some car magazine.

 

Got a brand name or any other kind of ID on it?

I'd suspect they're using the paper fiber as a filler and using acrylic
resin as the binder. Much like a "cultured marble" sink.

 

Got a brand name or any other kind of ID on it?

I'd suspect they're using the paper fiber as a filler and using acrylic
resin as the binder. Much like a "cultured marble" sink.

 

Guess it would if you took each molecule apart into its constituent atoms,
and then reassembled them into the molecules you wanted, no?

But even if you could, what would be the point?

 

Guess it would if you took each molecule apart into its constituent atoms,
and then reassembled them into the molecules you wanted, no?

But even if you could, what would be the point?

 

Superglue?

 

Reeeeally tiny bolts and nuts?

 

Recycled Paper Products (c)
is the only ID type wording i can find on bottom

 

Recycled Paper Products (c)
is the only ID type wording i can find on bottom

 

well isn't that the process of making a synthetic in the simplest laymen
terms

breaking apart oil polymer/molecules (cracking) and then re-assemble
according to some desired/engineered characteristic.

and the point of such a venture... to produce a stable oil with many of the
characteristics engineered into the oil so that the synth does not suffer
problems as the dino coctails do

things such as viscocity stability w/o viscocity improver additives, then
high thermal stability and strength where synth oil does not break down
(shear) as quickly as dino oil which adds to extended oil life and then
there is the adhesion properties and bla bla bla

that is if you believe the pretty brochures produced by synthetic oil
companies.

 

well isn't that the process of making a synthetic in the simplest laymen
terms

breaking apart oil polymer/molecules (cracking) and then re-assemble
according to some desired/engineered characteristic.

and the point of such a venture... to produce a stable oil with many of the
characteristics engineered into the oil so that the synth does not suffer
problems as the dino coctails do

things such as viscocity stability w/o viscocity improver additives, then
high thermal stability and strength where synth oil does not break down
(shear) as quickly as dino oil which adds to extended oil life and then
there is the adhesion properties and bla bla bla

that is if you believe the pretty brochures produced by synthetic oil
companies.

 

PAO synthetic oil base stock is made from a hydrocarbon gas so no cracking
is necessary. Short chains are reassembled to make the desired long chains
which meet the engineer's reqirements. No annoying wax, asphalt or other goo
that is difficult to remove from the refined petroleum lubricant base stock.
Additives are mixed with this base stock to meet SAE reqirements. I'm
guessing the largest manufacturing expense is package design and
advertising. Amoco Ultimate synthetic used to sell at K-Mart for like a buck
a quart when purchased by the case. Most consumers were not aware of this
product because neither company chose to advertise and the label was flat
black. Amoco is gone now and K-Mart is close behind. Advertising drives the
market, not technology.

 

PAO synthetic oil base stock is made from a hydrocarbon gas so no cracking
is necessary. Short chains are reassembled to make the desired long chains
which meet the engineer's reqirements. No annoying wax, asphalt or other goo
that is difficult to remove from the refined petroleum lubricant base stock.
Additives are mixed with this base stock to meet SAE reqirements. I'm
guessing the largest manufacturing expense is package design and
advertising. Amoco Ultimate synthetic used to sell at K-Mart for like a buck
a quart when purchased by the case. Most consumers were not aware of this
product because neither company chose to advertise and the label was flat
black. Amoco is gone now and K-Mart is close behind. Advertising drives the
market, not technology.

 

great! i knew an expert would show up and give some good info

i am weary of web searches more garbage and non-info than useful stuff

so there is no synthetic process that uses or alters some base stock oils ?
is it possible to use base oils (cracking into the short chains you mention)
?

can short chains be more easily derived from used oil as per re-refining
used motor oils ?

do you happen to know if there is some standards on synthetic labeling ? as
someone claimed that walmart synthetic is mfg from re-cycled oil by
SafetyCleen .

of course if you have links to this info then i could go do the work

thanks for info
robb