Prelude Auto Transmission problem

Discussion in 'Prelude' started by SC, Mar 6, 2005.

  1. SC

    SC Guest

    I am having a problem with a '97 Prelude 2.2VTi auto transmission (UK
    spec/Japan built).

    There is a delay when changing mostly from 2nd - 3rd gear when the
    engine/transmission is cold. During this time the revs climb (depending on
    how much throttle is used) and then settle back down once it's changed,
    usually under a second maximum. It does not exhibit this behaviour when
    warmed up or appear to through other gear changes, i.e. 1st - 2nd, 3rd -
    4th.

    My local dealer suggested that the fluid may be "past its best", and they
    changed it on the last service. The fluid has been changed more often than
    the Honda specify in their service schedule anyway. It behaved for a couple
    of days and then back to it's odd behaviour.

    At any time cold/warmed up, there is NOT harsh shifts, banging, crunching,
    squealing etc or any other horrible mechanical noises.

    When the engine/transmission has warmed up it IS smooth and changes softly
    and in a timely fashion as I would expect.

    So the few questions I have are:

    1.Does anyone here have the experience to make a likely 'guess' on what the
    problem may be?

    2.It has been doing this for about 18 months and has not got worse, I feel
    it is unlikely that the tranny is going to 'fall out of the bottom' any time
    soon and I'm likely to be able to drive it like this (it just bugs me).
    Would you agree?

    3.Is there anything I could test myself or ask the dealer specifically to
    check?

    I understand that the US built Preludes were prone to failing trannies and
    as such Honda have extended the 2000 model onwards warranty to 100,000
    miles. My dealer here in the UK assured me that they have never had an auto
    transmission fail on a Prelude (although they probably haven't sold many
    anyway). Does anyone know of a reputable/reliable auto transmission
    specialist here in the UK? My dealer does not want to seem to 'own' the
    problem.

    Lastly, for those experienced in this kind of thing, does a transmission
    repair/removal involve removal of the engine, or can the transmission be got
    at and removed from underneath? (without disturbing that horrible looking
    nest of pipes and wires at the top of the engine compartment).

    Sorry for the long post.

    TIA.
     
    SC, Mar 6, 2005
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  2. Usually, any type of problem like this that is related to temperature, is a sign
    of internal problems in the transmission.....usually slipping/worn clutch discs.
    Sometimes it is a valve body problem, but usually an internal problem. By the
    way....the symptom you are describing is called "flaring" as the engine speed
    "flares" up momentarily.

    If it has been this way for the past eighteen months, and not gotten any worse,
    then keep going. As far as future problems or reliability go, that's only
    guesswork.

    There is really nothing that you can check without special service tools.
    However, you can have your dealership perform a stall test on the
    transmission.....during this test, each gear is isolated electronically and can
    be stall tested individually. Bear in mind that they will probably charge you
    for this service if the car is out of warranty.

    Usually a transmission removal is just that.......some cars require removal of
    the engine as well, and then engine and trans have to be realigned in the front
    subframe to ensure vibration-free operation. But normally only the transmission
    is removed.

    D.Mills - Licensed Automotive Technician.
     
    David and Tracey Mills, Mar 6, 2005
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  3. SC

    Rob Guest

    Good advice David, Good to see someone here at this site with your
    expertise. Just curious, which Honda transmission do you consider more
    reliable in a 2001 civic the auto or the 5 speed. I plan on getting a used
    civic in the future and am not hearing some good thinks about the Honda
    auto's. Thanks for any advice, Rob.
     
    Rob, Mar 7, 2005
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  4. In my opinion, any manual is more reliable than an automatic. It's all really a
    matter of what you prefer to drive. Most people cringe when they think of
    automatic transmission repair, but really they are easier to work with than a
    manual. For best fuel economy a manual is the way to go.

    D.Mills - Licensed Automotive Technician.
     
    David and Tracey Mills, Mar 8, 2005
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  5. SC

    SC Guest

    Thanks for the replies. I have booked it in with my local dealer next week,
    I shall report what they have to say. Should it need a replacement
    transmission I shall see if Honda (very unlikely) would like to meet me even
    half-way towards the cost of repairs.

    Although the car is ageing a bit now, it has only 72K miles on it, and had
    33K when I bought it three years ago. It has been treated gently during my
    ownership which leads me to believe that my treatment of it has extended the
    transmission life masking an underlying design or manufacturing defect.
    Second to that the dealer, at my request, has changed transmission fluid
    more often than the Honda schedule dictates.

    I got a quote from an auto transmission specialist here for £1500, which
    includes a 12 month unlimited mileage warranty. I don't think it is
    unreasonable of me to expect a life beyond 72K miles especially as it's
    always been looked after. I will see what the dealer says, but if they won't
    help, that will be the last time Honda charge me extortionate amounts of
    money for effectively just oil and filter changes.

    As an example, the last service cost £359 which was routine (although a 72K
    major service). I did not have any parts or labour which were not part of
    the regular service.

    It may be time to start using a non-Honda for my servicing.
     
    SC, Mar 8, 2005
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