Probably gonna get an Odyssey...

Read his post carefully, and you'll see what an ignoramus he is.

He says that by 2007 GM has fixed their problems, so the 2002 GM vehicle
isn't a gauge of what GM stuff is like now. But then he says that we
should look at the 2002 Honda and know what Honda stuff is like, and
that the 2007 Honda hasn't been out long enough to know if anything's
fixed.

Hmmmmmm. By his definition, everything's fixed in the 2007 GM. We know
that apparently because, well, we know that. OTOH, the 2007 Honda
hasn't been out long enough to know.

Interesting logic, there.

If nothing else, look at the relative merits of the 02 Odyssey vs. the
02 GM, and extend that relationship the 07 Odyssey vs. the 07 GM. If
the 07 GM got X% better than the 02 GM, then the 07 Odyssey got X%
better than the 02 Odyssey.

And the Honda product in 02 was Y% better than the GM back then, so the
07 Honda product is the same Y% better than the 07 GM product.

 

I want an electric tailgate, but I absolutely WILL NOT suffer with
run-flat tires--which is all the US Touring model is equipped with.

If I really wanted a new Touring, I might seek out a Canadian model.

 

I want an electric tailgate, but I absolutely WILL NOT suffer with
run-flat tires--which is all the US Touring model is equipped with.

If I really wanted a new Touring, I might seek out a Canadian model.

 

I want an electric tailgate, but I absolutely WILL NOT suffer with
run-flat tires--which is all the US Touring model is equipped with.

If I really wanted a new Touring, I might seek out a Canadian model.

 

Well, what's done is done!

Got some Internet pricing from other dealers and went to my dealer (bringing
the wife and kids) so I could actually drive it and the kids could sit in it
(not that they were going to be part of the decision making).

He came down to $28,150 and $5000 on my trade-in for a net of $23,150. The
number I had in my head going in was 23,500, so I'm pleased. Going rate for
my old van on eBay is $4000 to $5600, we had high mileage. Now I don't have
to spend $100 having it detailed prior to auction, don't have to pay eBay
fees and I pay less sales tax (8.25%) on my new vehicle as here in NY they
only tax the net.

We're now a dual-Honda family.

 

Well, what's done is done!

Got some Internet pricing from other dealers and went to my dealer (bringing
the wife and kids) so I could actually drive it and the kids could sit in it
(not that they were going to be part of the decision making).

He came down to $28,150 and $5000 on my trade-in for a net of $23,150. The
number I had in my head going in was 23,500, so I'm pleased. Going rate for
my old van on eBay is $4000 to $5600, we had high mileage. Now I don't have
to spend $100 having it detailed prior to auction, don't have to pay eBay
fees and I pay less sales tax (8.25%) on my new vehicle as here in NY they
only tax the net.

We're now a dual-Honda family.

 

Well, what's done is done!

Got some Internet pricing from other dealers and went to my dealer (bringing
the wife and kids) so I could actually drive it and the kids could sit in it
(not that they were going to be part of the decision making).

He came down to $28,150 and $5000 on my trade-in for a net of $23,150. The
number I had in my head going in was 23,500, so I'm pleased. Going rate for
my old van on eBay is $4000 to $5600, we had high mileage. Now I don't have
to spend $100 having it detailed prior to auction, don't have to pay eBay
fees and I pay less sales tax (8.25%) on my new vehicle as here in NY they
only tax the net.

We're now a dual-Honda family.

 

Because of the high cost of tire replacement? Or some other reason?

 

Because of the high cost of tire replacement? Or some other reason?

 

Because of the high cost of tire replacement? Or some other reason?

 

We both have dash-top Garmin units. I actually like the Garmin nav better
than all others. Power tailgate and rear camera would be nice, but not
needed. I'll buy an after-market backup sensor that actually speaks
distance remaining to object for under $200 and put it in myself.

 

We both have dash-top Garmin units. I actually like the Garmin nav better
than all others. Power tailgate and rear camera would be nice, but not
needed. I'll buy an after-market backup sensor that actually speaks
distance remaining to object for under $200 and put it in myself.

 

We both have dash-top Garmin units. I actually like the Garmin nav better
than all others. Power tailgate and rear camera would be nice, but not
needed. I'll buy an after-market backup sensor that actually speaks
distance remaining to object for under $200 and put it in myself.

 

Because of the high cost of tire replacement? Or some other reason?[/QUOTE]

The cost of tire replacement is a huge issue, and combined with the fact
that I'm stuck with exactly ONE brand/model of tire--that's unacceptable.

Nokian WR is probably the best passenger car tire you can buy, for
overall comfort and safety in the widest range of conditions including
severe winter/snow duty. I don't want a crummy OEM-specific Michelin
tire that's crappy in the winter and merely OK in the summer, especially
when it costs $500/tire installed.

 

Because of the high cost of tire replacement? Or some other reason?[/QUOTE]

The cost of tire replacement is a huge issue, and combined with the fact
that I'm stuck with exactly ONE brand/model of tire--that's unacceptable.

Nokian WR is probably the best passenger car tire you can buy, for
overall comfort and safety in the widest range of conditions including
severe winter/snow duty. I don't want a crummy OEM-specific Michelin
tire that's crappy in the winter and merely OK in the summer, especially
when it costs $500/tire installed.

 

Because of the high cost of tire replacement? Or some other reason?[/QUOTE]

The cost of tire replacement is a huge issue, and combined with the fact
that I'm stuck with exactly ONE brand/model of tire--that's unacceptable.

Nokian WR is probably the best passenger car tire you can buy, for
overall comfort and safety in the widest range of conditions including
severe winter/snow duty. I don't want a crummy OEM-specific Michelin
tire that's crappy in the winter and merely OK in the summer, especially
when it costs $500/tire installed.

 

The cost of tire replacement is a huge issue, and combined with the fact
that I'm stuck with exactly ONE brand/model of tire--that's unacceptable.[/QUOTE]

That's what I figured. IN the almost 20 years we've been together she's had
a total of 1 flat.

Dealer is gonna get me an extra set of rims (from other buyers who upgraded
from stock) so I'm gonna throw snows/winter tires on those and swap each
season.

 

The cost of tire replacement is a huge issue, and combined with the fact
that I'm stuck with exactly ONE brand/model of tire--that's unacceptable.[/QUOTE]

That's what I figured. IN the almost 20 years we've been together she's had
a total of 1 flat.

Dealer is gonna get me an extra set of rims (from other buyers who upgraded
from stock) so I'm gonna throw snows/winter tires on those and swap each
season.

 

The cost of tire replacement is a huge issue, and combined with the fact
that I'm stuck with exactly ONE brand/model of tire--that's unacceptable.[/QUOTE]

That's what I figured. IN the almost 20 years we've been together she's had
a total of 1 flat.

Dealer is gonna get me an extra set of rims (from other buyers who upgraded
from stock) so I'm gonna throw snows/winter tires on those and swap each
season.

 

I bought an Odyssey (still can't spell it) in Nov and just got back from
several thousand miles to FL. I LOVE it, may be the best all-around
vehicle I've ever owned.

Baseline: previous car was 84 BMW 528e that I had owned for 20 years.

....BOb