Proper Radiator Cap Pressure Rating for 1994 Honda Accord EX?

Discussion in 'Accord' started by Gary Kaucher, Jul 22, 2006.

  1. Gary Kaucher

    Gary Kaucher Guest

    I used the 1/4" plate glass lap technique on the deck and the head, just
    to
    In looking at the new head gasket I could see the slight indentation
    intended for the
    portruding steel liner. I used a smaller piece of glass and spent
    considerable time lapping the
    perimeter in an attempt to make the steel liner portrude. Not sure if I was
    successful
    or not. Protrusion is not perceptable, but on some level I guess it is
    portruding a
    "/tiny/ little extra". I figure that some cylinder liners were recessed when
    I originally took the
    head off, and now they are not. That has to be an improvement.
    Everything seems secure.
    I lapped the head while positioning the surface vertical, so nothing would
    drain into the valves. Soap and water cleanup + WD40. And I turned the
    cylinders about 10 revolutions wiping each cylinder in between.

    I'm pretty close to closing it up. Some questions regarding belt tensions-

    Timing Belt - I never was able to loosen the "tension nut" for the timing
    belt.
    I found that with some effort while rotating the camshaft pulley I was able
    to
    remove the timing belt from the camshaft pulley by sliding it sideways. So I
    put it back on the same way, without adjusting the "tension nut". Does the
    "tension nut" have to be loosened and tightened to automatically adjust the
    belt tension?

    Alternator & Power Steering Belts - How tight should these be? Is there a
    "rule of thumb" for belt deflection?

    Thanks again,

    Gary
     
    Gary Kaucher, Aug 15, 2006
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  2. Gary Kaucher

    jim beam Guest

    better than most rebuild shops i'll bet!
    yes, it's spring loaded. while you have everything off, you should be
    able to get at it easily and loosen it. take it off, clean it up and
    replace if the bearing's not butter smooth.

    on replacement, you should be able to figure out the deal on tightening
    it. basically, put everything back together with the lower covers,
    pulley wheel, etc, but with the tensioner bolt grommet cover off. the
    [14mm?] socket and a long handled ratchet fit in the space just fine if
    the power steering pump's moved out of the way [don't disconnect hoses,
    just unbolt the mountings and lift the whole thing to the side], then go
    through the tensioning process*. when done, tighten the bolt, rotate
    the crank three times, then tension again.

    * rotate the crank counter clockwise so the cam rotates three teeth.
    that has the drive side of the belt under maximum cam load. then, the
    spring that loads the tensioner has exactly the correct adjustment,
    provided the tensioner pulley is free to slide - that's why it's vital
    to take it off and clean it up and make sure it'll work properly. make
    sure the bolt's not too loose on the tensioner before you tighten it.
    if it is, it can over-tension the belt because the pulley was not
    sitting square on initial tension, but tightening the bolt squares it
    too far.

    [check a third time to make sure there's no slack on the non-drive side,
    but that it's also not too tight.]
    yes. i can't recall what the specs are, but they're supposed to deflect
    within a certain amount [10mm?] when loaded - usually by spring balance.
    i use a cheapo fishing scale from woolmort - gives you the load near
    enough, and just measure the deflection from there. or just thumb it.
    they'll squeal if loose...
     
    jim beam, Aug 15, 2006
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  3. Gary Kaucher

    Gary Kaucher Guest

    [check a third time to make sure there's no slack on the non-drive side,
    I was too far along to recheck the timing belt. The power steering hoses and
    side engine motor mount are in the way now. It took some effort to to put
    the belt
    on so I don't think there's a slack problem on the non-drive side. Simply
    not enough
    "backup" room to get my wrench on that adjuster nut. My tools are limited.
    "Next
    time" I will be more prepared.

    There is a short squeal upon startup only. Not sure which belt.


    Well, I started everything up and for the last three days it really has been
    running great! The motor
    seems to be much "tighter" now, and it takes less foot pressure on the gas
    pedal to generate the
    same RPM's. No bubbles in the coolant reservoir! I have been keeping my eye
    on the coolant level
    and occasionally turning on the heater to purge the system. I added about
    1.6 gallons before there were
    any leaks. It runs like it's new.

    But today, after 3 flawless days, I had my first coolant leak. In the
    morning, I added a little coolant
    to the reservoir as part of the ongoing purging process. I really don't
    think there were any leaks up
    until this point, and that this was the most coolant that the system had in
    it so far.

    My wife drove the car to work (8 miles), and said that there was noticeable
    leaks under the car after she stopped.
    The same thing happened, after she came home. I checked to see where the
    leak was coming from, and
    the leak is coming from the joint where the "steel coolant pipe" enters
    under the thermostat housing.
    The car is now sequestered, and will not move until fixed. At no time did
    the temp gauge go up, and both
    fans have been operating as expected.

    I had installed the head and intake manifold as one unit. I had difficulty
    making the connection to the "steel
    coolant pipe" that connects under the thermostat housing. I replaced the
    O-ring on the "steel coolant
    pipe" with the one that I ordered [91314-PH7-003 (31.2 x 4.1)]. Either I
    ordered the wrong one, or
    the O-ring didn't seat properly. It was pretty hard to sleeve the "steel
    coolant pipe" into the connection
    while holding the head and intake manifold stable, so it's quite possible
    that I didn't get a good seal.
    I'm thinking that the leak showed up after three days because I had just
    purged the system to the point that
    there was no air to compress, and the O-ring connection was the weak point.
    I hope that is the case.

    What is the best way to access this joint so I can replace or reseat this
    O-ring? Also, did I use the
    correct O-ring? I can't seem to find the diagram on www.slhonda.com that I
    ordered it from.

    Thanks. It's unbelievable how great this engine sounds!

    Gary
     
    Gary Kaucher, Aug 18, 2006
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    jim beam Guest

    you don't need room or special tools - it's accessed with everything in
    place. it's only taking it off and cleaning everything up that requires
    large scale removal.
    check the belt deflections - one will be obviously loose.
    most likely. you'll have to take stuff off to get at it again, but do
    the ring again, clean everything, then reassemble with a little soap.
    if not lubed, sometimes o-rings bind and cut on assembly.
    can't you just remove the thermostat housing again? parts are in the
    section called "water pump-sensor".
    don't forget to change that oil again a couple of hundred miles!
     
    jim beam, Aug 18, 2006
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  5. Gary Kaucher

    Gary Kaucher Guest


    OK. It was a tough fit. Wouldn't surprise me if the end of the pipe was
    cracked.


    Actually, I never removed the thermostat assembly from the intake manifold.
    I don't think the Accord Shop Manual called for it. It was pretty awkward.
    Next time, I
    would remove the thermostat assembly. Maybe that is why the manual suggests
    removing
    and installing the intake manifold independant of the head on the 1994
    models.


    Will do. You still have scars from the head sanding jobs that you did in
    your youth!

     
    Gary Kaucher, Aug 18, 2006
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  6. Gary Kaucher

    Gary Kaucher Guest

    I had installed the head and intake manifold as one unit. I had

    The o-ring had a big gash in it because of the way I made the connection. I
    should have removed the
    thermostat case from the intake manifold when I removed the head/intake
    manifold. It would have made things
    way easier. Everything is now fixed and appears to be in working order.

    Thanks for all your help!
     
    Gary Kaucher, Aug 20, 2006
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  7. Gary Kaucher

    jim beam Guest

    you're welcome! glad it worked. if you have any more problems, post a
    fresh thread because i'm going to stop winding back to this one now.

    atb
     
    jim beam, Aug 20, 2006
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