pszemol redux

item 1.

you're guessing /way/ wrong. 120'F, the hottest you'll get in somewhere
like vegas = barely 49'C. the block of the engine operates at a max of
maybe 105'C, but none of the standard electricals directly contact that
temperature. peripherals operate substantially below that. and those
that /do/ need to work at higher temps use higher temp polymers such as
the silicones used on spark plug leads and the woven stuff used on
oxygen sensors. now, if you're idling, peripherals reach max temp
because there's limited through-passage of air in the engine
compartment. but driving, temps drop substantially. if you can be
bothered, you can get an infrared temperature scanner from sears for
about $50. easy enough for you to do your own homework.

facts are nothing to be afraid of. and it's "these fears" or "this
fear", not "this fears".

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item 2.

why? i'm not doing anything wrong.

i'm not on your back - you're simply posting crap and i'm pointing that out.

that says more about you than it does about tegger.

it's spelled "o-b-s-e-s-s-i-o-n". learn to use a spell checker. and i
do just fine with comprehension tasks. i can use google too.


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item 3.

actually, this is open forum. if you don't like the heat, etc.


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item 4.

don't you have something better to do than post b.s. on newsgroups your
employer's dime? if i employed you, i'd rectify that situation, no
problem! but, i wouldn't have hired you in the first place.


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item 5.

but you just did!

"weapon"??? this is just usenet. what on earth are you talking about???

1. don't patronize.
2. don't put false words in my mouth.
3. refusing to repeat your language is not being "pissed off".
4. you still don't appear to have figured out how to use google yet.

it's real easy to stay off my radar screen:

1. don't post underinformed speculative crap as though it were fact.
2. use google to avoid posting redundant questions.
3. try to learn as you go along.

have you got that yet or do i need to repeat it - again?

 

How about exhaust? How hot is the 1st cat below the engine?
Where these hot air travels when car is stopped? Up to engine bay? Yes!

BS! They "contact" hot air at or above 100'C. And they are OK with it.
The same like when they would contact hot steam.

By the way - steam is invisible, so what you clean your car with is not
steam per se.

When you are idling they got too hot, like when they are blasted
with steam, but they are ok with it!

Your method is useless.
Think about it for a minute and maybe you will figure out why it is useless.

Then prove it.

Stop correcting my language and show me the sources for your guesswork!

Yes, you are. Majority of your text here, including this post as a perfect
example, is just personal attacks not related to honda or any other car
information. Since this is honda cars newsgroup you are creating useless
noise instead of producing valuable information. You focus on a person (me)
instead on what a person writes here.

 

at w.o.t., maybe 800'C.

1. when the the car is stopped, you're not at w.o.t.

2. the quantity of air that reaches high temperature is minimal and is
rapidly diluted. if the exhaust vented into the engine bay, you'd see
quantity then, and wholesale damage.

not true. the real "diluted" temperature is rarely more than 30'C from
ambient.

then why did you start blathering about steam?

but you just said it's not steam...

eh? apparently you don't like data or anything that contradicts your
guesswork.

easy. use google. you should learn to use it.

is english not your primary language?

you're b.s.ing about car tech, and that includes hondas. and when you
snip the other poster's comments in your response, usenet etiquette is
to annotate accordingly. if you don't, at best it appears you can't
argue the point, at worst, it appears that you're trying to deceive.

 

So why do you think the air in the engine bay cannot heat up over 100C?
What is the background for this guesswork?

You are missing the point. Here is the scenario: we were driving fast,
we aproached red light, we stopped, we iddle - very hot exhaust
components under the engine are heating up the air which is bathing
all your precious wire harnesses, which (according to what you say)
cannot stand this hot air. So if you were right after couple of days every
car would have electrical damage to wiring. Aparently you are wrong.

Also - think about the coolant temperature - we do not use water, and
the coolant in a modern car easily reaches 120-130'C on a regular
basis. The cooling fan switch turns on the fan at about 115-120'C
and this hot air bathing the radiator is going toward the engine bay.

I can only conclude that your statement about engine bay air does
not reach 100'C because it would be damaging to wire harnesses
is complete rubbish guesswork without any support in real physics
of the car cooling. It tells me that you have very vague idea on how
hot engine bay can be on a regular basis and your fear of hot steam
damagin wire harnesses is just false!

This is only your guesswork, again!

And this 30'C you pulled out of where? Guesswork again?

Jim, you are getting confused... please pay more attention.
I used word steam because this is the word which YOU used and
OP used. While this is not technically correct term I used it simply
to match your non-technical lingo and avoid further confusion.

By stating that you are not technically cleaning your engine with steam
I just wanted to add new point to the subject - it is not really steam
you use to clean your engine and it is not overheated when it touches
the engine parts or wires, like you tried to suggest.
Maybe right at the nozzle it is, but soon after it condenses and becomes
white mist, which is just droplets of water below 100'C. Not an issue...

I am sorry, but you are still not thinking...
If I open the hood to measure temperature with the infrared thermometer
then I will change the conditions in the engine bay... This will change
the conditions of the test - WRONG METHOD! I am talking about
temperatures in the *closed* engine bay, not when the hood is popped up!
If you have measured this 30C with the hood open than it further fortify
my statement that with the hood closed the temperature will easily reach
100'C and abowe on regular basis with no harm done to the cables.

What do you mean by "primary" in this context?
And what this question has to do with discussions about Honda cars?

Why do you use so often personal remarks?
Get back to the subject and stick to real arguments, if you have any!

Why can't you be more like Tegger?
Helpful, polite and showing respect to other forum members.
You can learn a lot trying to immitate his behaviour on forums.

You are delusional... What etiquette are you talking about?
Who told you this rubbish?

There is no logical reason of quoting parts of text which are not
relevant to what you wrote in your text - if somebody wants to read
your original mumblings, cry-baby remarks and personal attacks
he or she can read them in your original post - no need to repeat
this trash in my text under my name!


Just to make sure you get it once and for all, let *me* QUOTE
a relevant fragment of the etiquette document from two different
sources:

http://info.borland.com/newsgroups/netiquette.html

"Keep quoted text to a minimum. When quoting a previous post, edit out the
non-relevant parts of the message. Remove salutations and signatures. A good
rule of thumb is, there should not be more quoted text than new text."

Another example:
http://www.newsreaders.com/guide/netiquette.html

"Delete Irrelevant Quoted Text
Whichever way you quote, it's worth putting in a little effort to delete any
quoted text that you're not going to respond to. If the writer does this
then the reader doesn't have to guess which bit of text they are responding
to and which bits are irrelevant, but can see it immediately.

There is another advantage in that it makes posts shorter, and thus quicker
to read. Arguments about network bandwidth are somewhat relevant, since some
readers still pay by the byte; but I consider human time - "eyeball
bandwidth" - much more important. It's annoying paging through hundreds of
lines of quoted text to discover that the poster has written a single line
of agreement, disagreement, abuse or whatever at the end.

Quoting signatures (the fixed text at the end of the article) is worth
mentioning as a specific example of needless quoting. The previous poster's
signature is almost never relevant to what the followup says, so it's
wasteful (for the above reasons) to quote it. "

Are you convinced now that what you say about newsgroup
etiquette is simple rubbish? If not yet, use the google and look up
yourself more examples!

Please stop instructing me on something I am doing right and you are doing
WRONG. OK ?

 

no, the air under you hood just doesn't get as hot as you mistakenly say
it does.

rubbish. boiling point at atmospheric pressure for 50:50 water-glycol
is ~108'C. that goes up to about 120'C at 1.4bar. but car's don't
"boil" regularly, only when there's a malfunction.

the thermostat on a healthy honda is fully open at 90'C. the fan
switches on at between 88.5 and 91.5'C.

er, no.

most vinyl wire insulation is rated to only 105'C. above that, it gets
soft and is easily damaged.

er, no.

er, no.

you're clutching at straws.

you don't understand. temperature gradients always go /from/ the hot
stuff to the cold stuff. air /is/ the cold stuff. air is /always/
colder than the hot stuff. since the engine rarely reaches 100'C, and
the peripherals less than that, there's no way the air can get that hot
fully enclosed, let alone in a fully ventilated engine compartment. as
you would know if you understood the physical principles and bothered to
measure.

i'm asking because you seem to have serious comprehension problems. if
english is not your primary language, maybe that is the reason.

tegger likes it when people suck up to him. like you do.

don't come here very often, do you!

note: "non-relevant.

again, note: "irrelevant"

you're snipping *relevant* text /and/ not noting where you cut it -
you're cutting all the parts where i point out that you're putting false
words in my mouth, failing in the basic courtesy of checking your own
facts, and worse, trying to deceive.