Questions about new Accord

So how are you going to prove that you have changed the oil?
Traditional way was to show a copy of the invoice from the shop...
In case of DIY, how do you do it?

I change my oil or ATF and properly recycle it bringing used oil
to local PepBoys shop but I wonder what troubles I am facing
in case I will have contested warranty claim and warrantor
wants to see all the proof of maintenance done on this car...
Yes, I have purchased maintenance fluids, filters and kept
the receipts, but from the legal point of view they proof only
the fact I purchased these items. Statement can be made
that I have actually never gone about doing these things and
oil filter is still sitting on my garrage shelf

I have 2004 without this feature and probably there is not many
other group members with 2009 AND knowing how it works...

I fully understant your question and I am also quite surprised
with Elmo's answer I alsodo not know how really does it work,
we can only guess. As a computer engineer I can infer that if
the whole "user interface" consists of holding the single button
to reset the indicator IT MUST be done the way you reset
each thing separatelly. Each managed item like the oil life, air
filter, ATF would have its own maintenance period requirement
and clearing the warning would affect only this particular item.
As you probably agree it would be silly if changing the engine
oil every 5-8k miles and reseting the minder would also clear
the "timer" for the ATF or air filter.

In case you do some service which is not reported yet, so
lets say you replace air filter before the air filter icon pops up
on the screen, you as a user will not have the proper "user
interface" to clear the minder. I am guessing clearing such
thing before the indicator is there on the screen can be done
only accessing the computer through the OBD-II connector
if possible at all.

There is also another thing to think about... The state of the oil
is not directly measured with any sensor - it is "calculated"
using some routine based on the car usage... The same is
probably done for ATF or air filter.

 

I plan to buy the oil filters from the dealership (while under
warranty),
and of course keep the receipts for the oil, which also of course
will
be the recommended weight and quality--I plan to use Castrol
5w-20 dino. I will also write all the particulars down in my
little servcie book that came with the car, including the
Oil Life reading when the oil was changed.

I guess that's true, strictly speaking, but with all of the
documentation you have, I think it would be a stretch
for Honda to wiggle out of warranty work. It just wouldn't
make any sense that detailed oriented owner like you
would buy these items and not use them on his late
model car. They could also look at the various installed
components, including the condition of your motor oil in the engine.

Yep, you're right. The manual doesn't address this. They make
it sound like the whole system is reset when the oil is changed.
Does your '04 just have a Minder for oil changes and not the
other stuff?

Yep, this is the way it was with BMW. When I first bought
a car with this, I was, like you, thinking sensor. But it is simply
based on a little formula that has as variables RPM, mileage,
engine temp, etc. I could give you the actual formula BMW
uses if you're interested. I always felt it was a bit inaccurate
and pretentious since, in my view, if left out the most important
thing: engine run time.

Thanks for the intelligent response!

 

I plan to buy the oil filters from the dealership (while under
warranty),
and of course keep the receipts for the oil, which also of course
will
be the recommended weight and quality--I plan to use Castrol
5w-20 dino. I will also write all the particulars down in my
little servcie book that came with the car, including the
Oil Life reading when the oil was changed.

I guess that's true, strictly speaking, but with all of the
documentation you have, I think it would be a stretch
for Honda to wiggle out of warranty work. It just wouldn't
make any sense that detailed oriented owner like you
would buy these items and not use them on his late
model car. They could also look at the various installed
components, including the condition of your motor oil in the engine.

Yep, you're right. The manual doesn't address this. They make
it sound like the whole system is reset when the oil is changed.
Does your '04 just have a Minder for oil changes and not the
other stuff?

Yep, this is the way it was with BMW. When I first bought
a car with this, I was, like you, thinking sensor. But it is simply
based on a little formula that has as variables RPM, mileage,
engine temp, etc. I could give you the actual formula BMW
uses if you're interested. I always felt it was a bit inaccurate
and pretentious since, in my view, if left out the most important
thing: engine run time.

Thanks for the intelligent response!

 

During the years I owned those cars, I did a great deal of "research"
on the very common subject of argument with "car people": oil
changes..
best types/brands and frequency of change. As I've said, changing
out factory oil in a new engine is not a bad idea at 5k miles. I also
don't want to give the dealership ANY reason to try to weasel in the
event of future warranty work, which they are known for.

I care very much about conservation and environment, but it amazes me
that no one here has understood my actual question about resetting.
Honda owners? I think I'll try some of the forums and hope for
at least higher I.Q's.

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I have an '07 Accord and an '08 Fit.

On both cars the MM coordinates the other maintenance items in conjunction
with oil changes. Yes, resetting the MM resets everything, but nothing
shows up independently of the oil changes, so that is OK.

Just a hint. You will get more information if you don't come across as such
an asshole.

..

 

During the years I owned those cars, I did a great deal of "research"
on the very common subject of argument with "car people": oil
changes..
best types/brands and frequency of change. As I've said, changing
out factory oil in a new engine is not a bad idea at 5k miles. I also
don't want to give the dealership ANY reason to try to weasel in the
event of future warranty work, which they are known for.

I care very much about conservation and environment, but it amazes me
that no one here has understood my actual question about resetting.
Honda owners? I think I'll try some of the forums and hope for
at least higher I.Q's.

=============================================

I have an '07 Accord and an '08 Fit.

On both cars the MM coordinates the other maintenance items in conjunction
with oil changes. Yes, resetting the MM resets everything, but nothing
shows up independently of the oil changes, so that is OK.

Just a hint. You will get more information if you don't come across as such
an asshole.

..

 

I can understant his frustration after reading Elmo's response...

Response indicating not understanding the question after 2nd attempt.

Looking at the message writing times I can only say Elmo did not
have enough time for sleep and recharge his brain batteries... ;-)

 

I can understant his frustration after reading Elmo's response...

Response indicating not understanding the question after 2nd attempt.

Looking at the message writing times I can only say Elmo did not
have enough time for sleep and recharge his brain batteries... ;-)

 

Here is what happens with my 2006 Honda. Every now and then, the
Maintenance Minder comes on and tells me what needs to be done. The
oil change interval is averaging about 7000 miles or so. Other
reminders come on at the same time as the oil change reminder, using
codes. I look these codes up in the manual and I do those things too
(cabin filter, air cleaner filter, etc.). When I reset the MM,
everything goes away.

The reminder intervals are based on driving habits and conditions.

If you ever get a reminder to change the oil and nothing else, then I
suspect you can reset just that reminder. But what ever shows up is
all cleared by the same procedure as you describe: "holding down the
button for 15 seconds"



Elliot Richmond
Itinerant astronomy teacher

 

Here is what happens with my 2006 Honda. Every now and then, the
Maintenance Minder comes on and tells me what needs to be done. The
oil change interval is averaging about 7000 miles or so. Other
reminders come on at the same time as the oil change reminder, using
codes. I look these codes up in the manual and I do those things too
(cabin filter, air cleaner filter, etc.). When I reset the MM,
everything goes away.

The reminder intervals are based on driving habits and conditions.

If you ever get a reminder to change the oil and nothing else, then I
suspect you can reset just that reminder. But what ever shows up is
all cleared by the same procedure as you describe: "holding down the
button for 15 seconds"



Elliot Richmond
Itinerant astronomy teacher

 

Thus spake :

No. You'll get a notice that says you need, for istance (looking at
my 08 Fit this morning) A1 service. Looking in the book, this is oil
and rotate. Both of those can and will be done at home this weekend.
But eventually other items will need to be done and these will pop up
on their own, at their own schedule. But if you replace the air
filter when its service interval comes along and don't do the oil,
which should also be done at the same time, the oil interval will be
reset.

Perhaps you should read the manual. It's all called out in nice
detail.

 

Thus spake :

No. You'll get a notice that says you need, for istance (looking at
my 08 Fit this morning) A1 service. Looking in the book, this is oil
and rotate. Both of those can and will be done at home this weekend.
But eventually other items will need to be done and these will pop up
on their own, at their own schedule. But if you replace the air
filter when its service interval comes along and don't do the oil,
which should also be done at the same time, the oil interval will be
reset.

Perhaps you should read the manual. It's all called out in nice
detail.

 

Thus spake :

Ummm, Honda says NO. Change when called for. Back in "the good old
days" (when I drove a Ford with a Boss 351) changing the oil at 1000
miles post purchase was standard. But there aren't any "break in
oils" anymore.

What kind of oil do you plan to use? For years, I used GTX 20W-50 due
to the environment I was driving my Hondas in. Then a Honda mechanic
told me that they recommended 5W-30 and it turned out to be cheaper.

 

Thus spake :

Ummm, Honda says NO. Change when called for. Back in "the good old
days" (when I drove a Ford with a Boss 351) changing the oil at 1000
miles post purchase was standard. But there aren't any "break in
oils" anymore.

What kind of oil do you plan to use? For years, I used GTX 20W-50 due
to the environment I was driving my Hondas in. Then a Honda mechanic
told me that they recommended 5W-30 and it turned out to be cheaper.

 

Actually, by Federal law, they have to show that you voided the
warranty by not performing the maintenance. You don't have to prove
that you did the work.

You don't get a reminder for oil, and another one for air filter, and
another one for ATF, etc. You get a reminder with a set of items to
perform.

Yes. They say it's based on current and historic usage. I bought my
08 Fit on March 27th with 11 miles on it (when I did the test drive, I
put 9 miles on it). Today the MM is showing 10%, A1 service and 5535
miles. Nasty city/highway mix.

 

Actually, by Federal law, they have to show that you voided the
warranty by not performing the maintenance. You don't have to prove
that you did the work.

You don't get a reminder for oil, and another one for air filter, and
another one for ATF, etc. You get a reminder with a set of items to
perform.

Yes. They say it's based on current and historic usage. I bought my
08 Fit on March 27th with 11 miles on it (when I did the test drive, I
put 9 miles on it). Today the MM is showing 10%, A1 service and 5535
miles. Nasty city/highway mix.

 

Nothing is going to pop up on its own independent of an oil change.

The Maintenance Minder system is oil change interval driven based on
"accumulated engine revolutions and operating conditions." Everything else
is done in conjunction with oil changes. You will not see a 1 thru 5
without an A or B.

Personal adjustment might be necessary for some things other than oil.
I follow the MM for my oil changes, but I always change the oil filter with
it.
Following the MM, my oil changes are every 7000 to 8000 miles so far, but I
like to rotate my tires every 5,000 miles.
I just changed my engine air filter with my 15,200 mile oil change because
it was dirty now, but I probably won't see a 2 code until the next oil
change.

I follow the A or B codes strictly, but I consider the 1 thru 5 numeric
codes as bare minimums if it has not been done already.

Remember that the computer really only "thinks" about oil life.

 

Nothing is going to pop up on its own independent of an oil change.

The Maintenance Minder system is oil change interval driven based on
"accumulated engine revolutions and operating conditions." Everything else
is done in conjunction with oil changes. You will not see a 1 thru 5
without an A or B.

Personal adjustment might be necessary for some things other than oil.
I follow the MM for my oil changes, but I always change the oil filter with
it.
Following the MM, my oil changes are every 7000 to 8000 miles so far, but I
like to rotate my tires every 5,000 miles.
I just changed my engine air filter with my 15,200 mile oil change because
it was dirty now, but I probably won't see a 2 code until the next oil
change.

I follow the A or B codes strictly, but I consider the 1 thru 5 numeric
codes as bare minimums if it has not been done already.

Remember that the computer really only "thinks" about oil life.

 

But didn't you read? He's a self taught EXPERT on such things. Why, he
knows more in his little finger than all the Honda engineers put
together. HE knows better.

 

But didn't you read? He's a self taught EXPERT on such things. Why, he
knows more in his little finger than all the Honda engineers put
together. HE knows better.

 

And they show this by me cannot show invoce/recept for the job.
Custommer cannot show the invoice = > he did not do the maintenance.
In the warranty contract they make you responsible for doing
maintenance and keeping all the invoices - you signed the contract.

How do you supposed to interprete the %%?
Does it mean only 10% is left or 10% is used and 90% left?