Questions about new Accord

Hey, I agree with you. I'm just inclined to think about obeying this
silly thing at least while the car is under full warranty--so as not
to give any wiggle room for Honda in the event of future problems.

I can just hear: "did you follow the Mainentance Minder?"

 

Hey, I agree with you. I'm just inclined to think about obeying this
silly thing at least while the car is under full warranty--so as not
to give any wiggle room for Honda in the event of future problems.

I can just hear: "did you follow the Mainentance Minder?"

 

Actually the MM on my 2007 accord not only tracks oil life (pretty much
7.5K/change) but also indicates other services by code (A1, B2, etc.) which
are defined in the OM (Owner's Manual).

 

Actually the MM on my 2007 accord not only tracks oil life (pretty much
7.5K/change) but also indicates other services by code (A1, B2, etc.) which
are defined in the OM (Owner's Manual).

 

I bet it's also pretty clear to you that the Earth was formed 4000 years
ago, and that women should remain barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.

What's clear to you plainly has no relation to reality.

You don't know how the MM works, so you made some wild-ass guesses--and
then decided those must the truth.

You're so wrong, it's funny to watch you drool this stuff.

 

I bet it's also pretty clear to you that the Earth was formed 4000 years
ago, and that women should remain barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.

What's clear to you plainly has no relation to reality.

You don't know how the MM works, so you made some wild-ass guesses--and
then decided those must the truth.

You're so wrong, it's funny to watch you drool this stuff.

 

But these messages only show up when the MM says "Oil Life" at
15%-- or lower-- on your car, right? They never show up independently
w/o
the MM saying it's time for an oil change.

 

But these messages only show up when the MM says "Oil Life" at
15%-- or lower-- on your car, right? They never show up independently
w/o
the MM saying it's time for an oil change.

 

With the technology that is available today, it would be relatively easy to
design a truly automated system.

 

With the technology that is available today, it would be relatively easy to
design a truly automated system.

 

Thus spake :

Yes, because, if you do it according to Honda's recommendations, the
service intervals for the other items fall in line with the
recommended change times for oil.

If you short shift on an oil change, eventually you'll get a reminder
to change your air filter. But it will be part of a "package", that
will include an oil change

From the 2008 Fit:

A: Replace engine oil
B: Replace engine oil
Inspect front and rear brake wear
Check parking brake adjustment
Inspect the following items:
- Fluid levels and conditions
- Brake hoses and lines
- Driveshaft boots
- Exhaust system
- Fuel lines and connections
- Suspension components
- Tie rod ends, steering gear box and boots

1: Rotate tires
2: Replace air cleaner element. Replace dust and pollen filter.
Inspect drive belt.
3: Replace transmission fluid
4: Replace spark plugs. Inspect vavle clearance.
5: Replace engine coolant

Also: Replace brake fluid every 3 years, inspect idle speed every 160K
miles

 

Thus spake :

Yes, because, if you do it according to Honda's recommendations, the
service intervals for the other items fall in line with the
recommended change times for oil.

If you short shift on an oil change, eventually you'll get a reminder
to change your air filter. But it will be part of a "package", that
will include an oil change

From the 2008 Fit:

A: Replace engine oil
B: Replace engine oil
Inspect front and rear brake wear
Check parking brake adjustment
Inspect the following items:
- Fluid levels and conditions
- Brake hoses and lines
- Driveshaft boots
- Exhaust system
- Fuel lines and connections
- Suspension components
- Tie rod ends, steering gear box and boots

1: Rotate tires
2: Replace air cleaner element. Replace dust and pollen filter.
Inspect drive belt.
3: Replace transmission fluid
4: Replace spark plugs. Inspect vavle clearance.
5: Replace engine coolant

Also: Replace brake fluid every 3 years, inspect idle speed every 160K
miles

 

not only is it easy, you'd be damned foolish /not/ to use such a system
given the computing power the vehicle has.

 

not only is it easy, you'd be damned foolish /not/ to use such a system
given the computing power the vehicle has.

 

The computer takes into consideration accumulated engine revolutions and
operating conditions. Why is spacing oil changes based on an arbitrary
amount of miles or time superior to that?

 

The computer takes into consideration accumulated engine revolutions and
operating conditions. Why is spacing oil changes based on an arbitrary
amount of miles or time superior to that?

 

From previous post of mine, which addresses this--read slowly:

"I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters). "

Assumes of course the owners waits till 15% on subsequent
oil changes...

Read the following that I wrote above, very carefully:

"For a person who does not wish to wait for the Oil Life to
get down to 15% on the MM before changing his oil, he will
never see reminders for changing out the other items, rotating
tires, etc. Let us say there are flaws in the system. "

IOW, a customer/car owner who, say, drops in at the Jiffy Lube
"every 3 thousand miles or three months" will never see any
of these service messages. My own Honda dealership actually
has me scheduled for the first oil change at 4800 miles, which
they have determined to be on January 19, '09. Then there
is also the case of the owner who doesn't put enough miles
on his car in a year to get down to 15% and the messages...
The manual tells them to do an oil change at least once a year
even if very low miles, like most automakers. This person will
also never get the other service item messages.

 

From previous post of mine, which addresses this--read slowly:

"I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters). "

Assumes of course the owners waits till 15% on subsequent
oil changes...

Read the following that I wrote above, very carefully:

"For a person who does not wish to wait for the Oil Life to
get down to 15% on the MM before changing his oil, he will
never see reminders for changing out the other items, rotating
tires, etc. Let us say there are flaws in the system. "

IOW, a customer/car owner who, say, drops in at the Jiffy Lube
"every 3 thousand miles or three months" will never see any
of these service messages. My own Honda dealership actually
has me scheduled for the first oil change at 4800 miles, which
they have determined to be on January 19, '09. Then there
is also the case of the owner who doesn't put enough miles
on his car in a year to get down to 15% and the messages...
The manual tells them to do an oil change at least once a year
even if very low miles, like most automakers. This person will
also never get the other service item messages.

 

Here is the formula BMW uses for their oil change messaging:

e = a(1 + t + r) = estimated mileage

a= actual mileage

t = 1 if engine temp below operating temp, else t = 0

r = .5 if engine above 4500 RPM, else r = 0

You should see that this simple estimating formula pretty much
is sheer mileage-based for the average adult driver tooling around
town or out in the country. One of its major flaws is it doesn't
take into account engine run time (say, for a person who does
a lot of sitting daily in city traffic commuting).

 

Here is the formula BMW uses for their oil change messaging:

e = a(1 + t + r) = estimated mileage

a= actual mileage

t = 1 if engine temp below operating temp, else t = 0

r = .5 if engine above 4500 RPM, else r = 0

You should see that this simple estimating formula pretty much
is sheer mileage-based for the average adult driver tooling around
town or out in the country. One of its major flaws is it doesn't
take into account engine run time (say, for a person who does
a lot of sitting daily in city traffic commuting).