Quick Change Oil Fiasco

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by butch burton, Jun 14, 2006.

  1. Well maybe, but this guy is just himself and two or three
    mechanics/assistants. It is hardly a big operation.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Jun 16, 2006
    #21
  2. Well, my independent mechanic doesn't add a charge to my bill for it
    so it isn't required by law. It may cost him money to comply with
    various environmental laws but it also costs him money for lights and
    water and those aren't add-on items on the bill either.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Jun 16, 2006
    #22
  3. I would question why they use a tool to mount the filter. I've been hand
    tightening filters for many years, and hundreds of thousands of miles, with
    no problems. Hand tightening also means you can loosen the filter by hand
    when the time comes to change the oil.
     
    Alex Rodriguez, Jun 19, 2006
    #23
  4. butch burton

    dold Guest


    http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_586_586
    $2199 for 120,000 BTU. That's probably not "home use". ;-)

    I recall the local garage having a 55 gallon drum on its side, with a layer
    of sand in the bottom. Waste oil dripped into the sand from a crimped
    piece of copper tubing. That burned a slow flame. The whole drum was hot.
    There was a 4" vent pipe attached to the drum.


    http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html
    $36.14, 21,000 BTU, using an old electric water heater.
     
    dold, Jun 19, 2006
    #24
  5. butch burton

    Earle Horton Guest

    The problem with this design is that it doesn't have a safety valve, to shut
    off the oil flow in the event that the flame goes out. Where I live there
    are seasonal winds, March usually, that are strong enough to suck the pilot
    light out on my gas furnace and parlor stove. This is going down a two
    story brick chimney too. This stove is basically the equivalent of those
    gravity fed kerosene space heaters, that used to be all over the Northeast
    U. S. of A. Most of them were replaced after the burners rusted out, but a
    good number were responsible for houses burning down, trailers exploding,
    suffocation, third degree burns and other mayhem.

    There aren't that many of these Mother Earth stoves, not nearly as many as
    there were kerosene fed space heaters in this country. That and the laws of
    statistics are the only things explaining why no one has been blown off the
    face of the planet with one. Do you really want to be the first? No matter
    how hot that flame looks, it can go out. People didn't think that gravity
    feed kerosene space heaters could go out either. Many suffered an excessive
    flow of oil, that simply drowned the flame. Think about it.

    It needs an overheat cutoff too.

    Earle
     
    Earle Horton, Jun 20, 2006
    #25
  6. butch burton

    dold Guest

    Blown off the face of the earth by an extinguished flame, and a continuing
    flow of 1GPM of oil? A mess perhaps, but where's the explosion?
     
    dold, Jun 20, 2006
    #26
  7. butch burton

    butch burton Guest

    "I recall the local garage having a 55 gallon drum on its side, with a
    layer
    of sand in the bottom. Waste oil dripped into the sand from a crimped
    piece of copper tubing. That burned a slow flame. The whole drum was
    hot.
    There was a 4" vent pipe attached to the drum."

    Really old oil stoves were called "pot burners" cause the oil dripped
    into a pot like container in the middle of the stove and burned.
    Supposedly very efficient - nice to hear some enterprising mechanics
    have come up with this design. Way cheaper than burning natural or
    propane gas.
     
    butch burton, Jun 20, 2006
    #27
  8. butch burton

    Earle Horton Guest

    Another one who doesn't believe in statistics. This is all unlikely, but
    tell that to one of the families that was incinerated, suffocated or blown
    to kingdom come in the northeast, during the fifties, by an old pot burner
    stove. Unlikely is not the same as "does not happen". Imagine that the oil
    valve controlling 1 gpm is somehow disturbed, enough to deliver, say, 2 gpm.
    This has the eventual effect of drowning the fire, while the oil still keeps
    dripping. Everyone is asleep, and 12 gallons goes all over the furnace
    room, living room, or kitchen while the family enjoys six hours of
    well-deserved sleep. A gas pilot light, other wood or oil source of heat,
    electric spark, or anything really can ignite it. If it happens during the
    first hour or so, while the burner is still hot, you are dealing with a
    roomful of flammable oil vapor, something more sinister than a "mess".

    It needs a high temperature cutoff, too, to shut off the oil flow in case
    the room is engulfed in flames. That is a little easier to design than the
    shutoff for the flame going out. I didn't see either in the Mother Earth
    plans. There is more than one reason that the commercial burner costs more
    than $36.

    Earle
     
    Earle Horton, Jun 20, 2006
    #28
  9. butch burton

    dold Guest

    I asked where the explosion would come from.
    I didn't think of used motor oil as being explosively ignitable in the same
    sense as other fuels, but I'll take your word for it. I thought that was
    one of the attractions of waste oil, or the diesel heater that I used to
    have at home, gravity fed from an above ground tank outside.

    Of course there were a lot of dangerous things done in the past, and the
    statistics are what let people feel safe enough to keep doing it. Or
    maybe the cost causes them to put up with the danger.

    A guy I know has no qualms about extinguishing a cigarette in an open pan
    of gasoline... he hasn't blown up yet, so that must be safe... ;-)
     
    dold, Jun 20, 2006
    #29
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