R.I.P. General Motors (1931-2006)

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Frater Oconulux 11°, Mar 31, 2006.

  1. The last thing you would buy GM for is the name and reputation

    Howard
     
    Howard Nelson, Apr 5, 2006
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    Adol Strauss Guest

    On 2 Apr 2006 14:03:22 -0700, "Michael Alcandor"

    The Man Michael Alcander obvious doesn't read or watch the news on
    CNN. This probably explains his pin head mentality. But for those of
    us with global mental capacities, it is clear that General Motors
    problems are well documented, and consist of a combination of gross
    miss management. Retirees benefits, health care, size, and the
    competitions from foreign auto makers being at the top of the list.

    By the time someone get's in the White House that will address health
    care, there might not be any American Company's with a heart beat.

    Adolf Strauss
     
    Adol Strauss, Apr 5, 2006
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    Jason Guest

    Howard,
    Great post. Do you know whether or not GM places engines made in Japan in
    some of their vehicles? I once purchased a mini-pick up (RAM 50) with the
    word DODGE written on the outside of it. However, it had an engine that
    had the word MITSUBISDHI written on top of the engine. Does GM do this
    same sort of thing?
    Jason
     
    Jason, Apr 5, 2006
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    R Sweeney Guest

    nor is the sun renewable

    I was speaking of building more nuclear plants and having them charge cars
    on the grid overnight.
     
    R Sweeney, Apr 5, 2006
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    Hairy Guest

    Damn, the lies keep getting bigger and bigger.......
     
    Hairy, Apr 5, 2006
  6. Which is an interesting lesson in itself. AT&T marketing was
    obviously more effective than the overall corporation. My guess is
    that they spent a lot of money to build up the name AT&T. In the end,
    it was the only part that was worth anything.

    I had a problem with AT&T service (caused by their bungling) and the
    phone rep was totally worthless. It soon became clear that the only
    way to resolve the problem was to cancel my service.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Apr 5, 2006
  7. LOL I think Mitsubisdhi is an Indian manufacturer.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Apr 5, 2006
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    w_tom Guest

    AT&T still exists. Its long distance and some other operations exist
    under SBC management (who also took on the AT&T name). Its cell phone
    business now exists as part of Cingular. Its two cable companies ...
    lost track of who has all that now. Its NCR division now operates
    profitably.

    Eastern Airlines and Pan Am became part of ... again I forgot who
    took them over. TWA - did that become part of American? TWA's St
    Louis hub - did that become an American Airlines hub? So yes, if a
    company is only its management, then you are right - none of them
    exist. But those companies still exist as part of other companies -
    and that is my point. Why are those operations successful again?
    Because the only reason for failure - bad management - was replaced.
    Look at GM to discover a same problem.

    Most every large company does not just go bust. Its core operations
    are removed from bad management. Sometimes those operations get a new
    name. But those businesses continue. New management often must
    restructure those operations because bad management had created bad
    organizations and stifled employees. The point remains - GM will not
    vaporize. It may reorganize. It may be purchased. It may be broken
    up and distributed to other companies that have management with brains
    instead of egos. Major companies do not vaporize. They get new
    management to replace the only reason why companies such as GM, AT&T,
    Eastern Airlines. PanAm, etc were failing.

    Graduates of business schools don't like to admit this because they
    are so often the reason for failure. When management does not come
    from where the work gets done, then innovation cannot happen. Business
    school graduates assume that more investment make more innovation.
    They assume innovation falls from the sky like rain. Simply make
    clouds and rain will invariably happen. Bull.

    Innovation requires capital. But too much capital can even destroy
    innovation. It is not a bidirectional relationship as so many business
    school graduates assume. Innovation requires investment. But
    investment does not create innovation; a direct contradiction to what
    is taught by business school simulations and spread sheet analysis.

    GM's problem is their management - especially Rick Wagoner - a
    classic example of business and law school thinking. Whatever saves GM
    must first eliminate the reason why GM's large reservoir of talent has
    been stifled for 30 years. Same thing that destroyed AT&T (and
    Lucent), Eastern Airlines, Pan Am, etc was bad management. Those core
    operations live on once bad management was replaced - vaporized.
     
    w_tom, Apr 5, 2006
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    Collector Guest

    ....shiit...i still remember when a gallon of regular was 32 cents...
    had a 100cc yamaha motorcycle...me and my buds would
    should the earth for returnable pop bottles...them was the daze...
     
    Collector, Apr 5, 2006
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    Eugene Nine Guest

    I made that mistake too, was a minivan instead of a minitruck. I must have
    spent every weekend replacing something on it. I had to trade it in twice,
    first dealer gave it back to me, second one I tossed the salesman the keys
    and left before he could get a good look at it.
     
    Eugene Nine, Apr 5, 2006
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    mabar Guest

    Yes, the U.S. Government is deep in red ink, but NOT because of tax cuts!

    The U.S. Government is deep in red ink because IT SPENDS TOO MUCH!

    Tom
     
    mabar, Apr 5, 2006
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    n5hsr Guest

    Au contraire, we got what we paid for. Yokels making $70 an hour. . . .

    Charles of Schaumburg
     
    n5hsr, Apr 5, 2006
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    n5hsr Guest

    My dad worked for W. T. Grant shortly before I was born and predicted its
    demise after he left their employ because of their overextending of credit.
    Lo and behold, when I was 19 W. T. Grant went out of business because it had
    overextended credit. . . . I predicted that eventually the corporate
    attitudes of Kmart would cause it to fail in 1981. Well, where is Kmart
    today?

    Charles of Schaumburg
     
    n5hsr, Apr 5, 2006
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    n5hsr Guest

    No it doesn't. I just drove by one of their corporate centers on my way to
    work this morning. The new "at&t" is basically the cremains of the old AT&T
    after the technological revolution left them holding the bag with a lot of
    old technology and the costs therefrom.

    Charles of Schaumburg
     
    n5hsr, Apr 5, 2006


  15. "We have met the enemy and he is us!"

    Pogo - Walt Kelly

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Apr 5, 2006
  16. Uh, having a bit of trouble parsing a sentence, eh?

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Apr 5, 2006
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    n5hsr Guest

    Yes, at one point there were Chevrolets that were rebadged Isuzus in the
    truck division. Dodge was selling rebadged Mitzubishis as far back as
    1979. Ever heard of a Dodge Colt?

    Charles of Schaumburg
     
    n5hsr, Apr 5, 2006


  18. Bingo!

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Apr 5, 2006


  19. ROFLMAO!!!

    Well, maybe if one is into recurring nightmares...

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Apr 5, 2006

  20. Wrong! EAstern and Pan Am were liquidated.
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Apr 5, 2006
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