R.I.P. General Motors (1931-2006)

Your thinking making and slapping parts together is all it takes. There is
so much behind the scenes stuff that goes on for even the simplest product.
Market research, design, testing, supplier management, project management,
etc. Then you add in all the levels of management, HR, Accounting,
payroll, etc you have more behind the scenes jobs as the assembly plants.
Those jobs are higher skill and in the US higher pay, but not in the other
countries. When all of those jobs are outside the US and the corporate
headquarters is outside the US they save so much they can afford to overpay
the assembly line workers.
So many people are blind to the rest of the world and believe the "made in
the US" marketing from those brands without knowing how small a part of
"made" there really is.

 

So does a corporate chairman named "Carlos," but that worked out well
for Nissan.

I doubt that any takeover of GM will be a hostile one because GM is
simply too weak to fight.

 

One where George W. Bush was either a Vietnam vet and a real man or
living in a Salvation Army shelter because of drug problems.

 

No it is total vehicle sales numbers clearly defines which vehicles the most
numbers of BUYER believe are the best brands and the best vehicles on which
to spend their hard earned money. Most buyers could not car less if the
dealer or the manufacture is making a profit. Only the Toyota and other
import brand buyer, that are willing to spend 20% or 30% more to buy an
average vehicle, who want to insure the dealer or the manufacture is making
a profit. The same folks that spend their days in the NG trying to
convince others to be stupid enough to get screwed like they did LOL


mike hunt

 

What? I have no idea where you're getting that 'information' from.
20-30% more? Are you making this stuff up as you go along?

 

mike,
Be honest, what are the three best selling cars in America?
The Toyota Camry or the Honda Accord is usually number 1--almost
every year.
The reason that GM cars sell so well in America is because
of their low prices and special discounts.
Jason

 

There's always that infamous Box 13. And there are rumors that since the
JFK assasination took place in Texas, that LBJ's people knew something about
it. . . .

Charles of Schaumburg

 

actually there are discount watts available on the grid at night

nuclear power remains the lowest generation price per kw-hr of all power
generation

but they don't like to be throttled up and down, so that limits their
usefulness during the day. But, if the night base load can be increased by
hungry cars, those extra nuclear kw could be very cheap and many many
nuclear plants can be build to take over both a higher percent of the day
load AND charge cars at night.

 

Reality and truth have never stopped Mikey from pursuit of his goal of
defending domestics at any cost.

 

It's been a long time since I've seen someone refer to Pogo. But it's true.

Charles of Schaumburg

 

Apparently it wasn't spending too much when Clinton was in office.

 

Do you really believe that people here believe your lies? What
illegal substance are you smoking? The only people that get screwed
are people who buy Fords and GMs.

You are truly a close-minded elitist and bigot who has bone to pick
with the Japanese and are too indolent to face the facts.

Apparently, as a personal penis pinata by GM and Ford executives, you
spend your days in newsgroups trying to convince people deluded enough
to buy the same piece of garbages that you do. As the saying goes,
misery loves company.

 

He has been saying that kind of thing for ages. Not long ago I used
carsdirect.com (a good reference for real transaction prices) to compare
a Saturn minivan against a similarly equipped Toyota. The Toyota was a
little cheaper.

Mikey just makes up that 20%-30% line.

Now if you are talking about used cars, then he has a point. The mucher
more rapid depreciation of most GM/Ford/Chrysler branded automobiles
compared to Toyotas and Honda does indeed result in a 20%-30% price
premium for the late model used car buyer.

John

 

You're the one who is insane. GM and Ford have laid off workers so
they can have them assembled in other countries. They take advantage
of the lower cost so they can compensate themselves with bigger
bonuses and stock options while laying off blue collar workers.

GM and Ford do sell more than Toyotas. So what? That does not make
them better vehicles. McDonalds sells more food than any 5-star
restaurants. Does that mean that their food is better? Only lunatics
believe so.

Study after study show that Toyotas have better reliability than GM
and Ford. Only those with single-digit IQ's deny that.

 

If a takeover were to occur, that's probably the route that they would
take. OTOH, GM's current selections are not all that popular so why buy
a failed operation?

JT

 

GM is like the ugly girl who broke (on every attempt to have fitted) the
magic glass slipper...

<G>

JT

 

Might as well toss in Marshall as well.

JT

 

I cannot confirm or deny...

<G>

JT

 

Apparently more buyers think the vehicles sold by GM, Ford and Chrysler, in
the same price range think so, that is why they buy more of them.

Are the folks that are willing to pay $10 for a burger in one of those
5-Star restaurants, as smart a buyer as the guy that buys one from McDonalds
for $1? When it comes to vehicles more buyers realize they need not spend
so much more for an import that is in the real world no better? LOL

mike hunt

 

All manufactures offer rebates and other incentives, those offered by Toyota
currently on 2006 models, are higher than on some similar GM and Ford
models. You are saying the Camry is the number one selling car therefore
more buyers must think it is the best buy for their money, in that respect
you are correct. You reference is to individual brand names, GM sells more
cars then Toyota but with different brand names, therefore they must be
better in the minds of those that buy them.

Why it OK to say Toyota and Honda have the best cars because they sell more
but not to say GM, Ford and Chrysler are the better because they sell more
in total than Toyota or Honda? Conversely, using that logic, the Civic is
the best small car to most buyers, since they buy more of them. The Camry
is the best mid size car, to most buyers, since they buy more of them. Buick
sells the most full size cars so they must be the best. The Escape is the
best small SUV, to most buyers, since they buy more of them. The Explorer
has been the best mid size SUV, to most buyers, since they buy more of them.
The Chevy Suburban is the best large SUV, to most buyers, since they buy
more of them. Dodge must sell the best full size van for most buyers, since
they buy more of them. The Ford Econoline must be the best full size van,
to most buyers, since they buy more of them. The Ford F Series is the best
line of light truck, to most buyers, since they buy more of them. The
Ford F150 is the best individual truck, to most buyers, since they buy more
of them, more than any single vehicle on the market today and has been for
nearly 30 years. The best selling car, the Camry does not even sell at half
the rate of the F150.


mike hunt