R.I.P. General Motors (1931-2006)

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Frater Oconulux 11°, Mar 31, 2006.

  1. Please don't feed the trolls.
     
    High Tech Misfit, Apr 1, 2006
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    bearman Guest

    I couldn't help myself.
    Bearman
     
    bearman, Apr 1, 2006
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    hondaman Guest

    the reason people love their honda is simple..high quality. honda has a
    reputation and they strongly keeping it going. their cars and now trucks
    will out run and take more of a beating and still run the same compared to
    general motors and especially ford. i hope gm survives they do make great
    cars. nothing will replace the cadillac or the chevy truck or corvette. its
    the union thats totally wiping out their profits. unions nowadays do more
    harm than good.

    -jeff
     
    hondaman, Apr 1, 2006
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  4. That was the idea, anyway, until the bean counters took over the company
    in the early 90s.

    Then their products started a downhill slide that finally even the most
    diehard Honda fans couldn't ignore. It started with design, and finally
    ended up in engineering when they had multiple designs of transmissions
    fail horribly, causing THE SINGLE BIGGEST RECALL IN HONDA HISTORY--$360
    million worth.

    THREE HUNDRED SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS.

    We should have seen news stories of Honda executives committing
    hara-kiri over this. Nowadays, however, there truly is no honor.

    I say this as one of those diehard Honda fans. Shame on them.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Apr 1, 2006
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    hondaman Guest

    1 other reason i just thought of for people preferring hondas and toyotas is
    the excellent gas mileage. you just cant beat it. domestic automakers have
    that to work on also.

    -jeff
     
    hondaman, Apr 1, 2006
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    Unidyne Guest

    GM = Goofy Mismanagement

    I'm looking at either a Hundai or a Honda right now.
    It's ironic enough that Rolls-Royce was bought out by Volkswagen, and
    Willys, which built the Jeep (synonymous with WW2) was bought out/merged
    with a number of firms, finally part of a German firm (Damler-Chrysler)

    I'm gonna sit down for a while. This is fucking with my head a little
    TOO much!

    "Eventually, we'll all be working for the same five guys." - Pat Oliphant

    ===unidyne===
     
    Unidyne, Apr 1, 2006
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    Sheldon Guest

    Unions were a great idea way back when. Unfortunately, now the unions still
    want the company to cover their employees from cradle to grave, even when
    the cost of health care has gone through the roof, and is now the major part
    of the cost of most autos made here under union rules.

    As a self-employed person, I either have to pass these costs on to my
    clients, or suck it up myself. When GM even tries to pass some of these
    costs onto their employess they refuse to share in the cost. The employees
    are the greedy ones, the ones who won't give an inch to keep their jobs.
    Let's be honest. Japanese manufacturers have no problem finding employees
    to work in their plants in the US, with no unions.

    Also, the idea of assembling cars in the US is to save money on importing
    the cars. It's far cheaper to bring in the parts that are manufactured from
    wherever, and assemble them here than to bring the entire car in.

    And, the poster is correct. Cadillac has made some awesome changes in their
    line, American trucks will still be in demand, and the Corvette is still one
    hell of a bargain when compared to any European sports car out there.

    My question is: Why is it that the US can't figure out what we want to buy?
    Even though American manufacturers give incredible incentives to buy US
    cars, we still pay more for the others. Fortunately, Subaru has found a
    niche market, and the vast number of people riding around in big SUV's would
    do well to buy an Outback, and many of them do. For whatever reason the
    Japs and the Europeans seem to make cars that we Americans want to buy. The
    US, for the most part, makes cars and then has to convince us to buy them.
    They always seem to be one step behind, and GM, with few exceptions, are
    always two steps behind.
     
    Sheldon, Apr 1, 2006
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    SC Guest

    steel plates and grates for manholes, saw one today, Made In India.
    Others: Made In China.
    hum....

    Part of the whole problem is the greedy unions. Others, like the Black
    Hills Gold Rush, westerners are definetly greedy and will depleet anything
    for the chance at getting rich. We are a horrible people, but just like
    everyone else in the world: china too.

    To bad the manufacturers won't build a better car for less money: average
    mark-up on a SUV last year, before the deep discounts: 15,000... figure from
    one of the 3 networks.
     
    SC, Apr 1, 2006
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    SC Guest

    they are all easily replaced after 3 years since they start falling apart
    about that timeframe.
    I still own a Merc Marquis '90, and a ClubWagon '97.
     
    SC, Apr 1, 2006
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    SC Guest

    "we don't need no stinking gas milleage"
    "gas is cheap"
    oh, that was a few years back, uh oh.
     
    SC, Apr 1, 2006
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  11. Gas is still cheap. It's only gone up a buck-fifty or so since
    1976.
     
    Steve Daniels, Apr 1, 2006
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    M.R.S. Guest


    I'd love to buy an American car if:

    it was fuel efficient... the Chevy Aveo isn't nearly as good as the Toyota
    Yaris, and.. it feels/looks cheap

    also, price.

    The Chevy Cobalt SE in comparison to the Toyota Matrix XR is NOT cheap
    (Canadian funds) So, well, hmmm...

    The only American car I think I'd get (first I have to try it) is the Dodge
    Caliber.

    Might be neat.

    Cheers
     
    M.R.S., Apr 1, 2006
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    SC Guest

    I think about that often. I 1980, my teen years of driving, I was paying
    1.25/gl.
    However, has the medium income gone up since then. I heard reported that
    the medium income in the U.S. has stayed pretty much level at around 55K
    (+/-), while the medium cost of a house has quadrupled. The comparison is
    in relation to cost of living. Not sure if the information was accurate, but
    it makes me think about that... certainly my income is higher, but then I
    buy gas and look for a larger home and seems like I'm still making the same
    wage as back in my fries and burger daze... heh.
     
    SC, Apr 1, 2006
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    Ron M. Guest

    razz,

    So it was okay for you to earn a living off of Toyota products, but it's NOT
    okay for an American citizen to purchase and drive a Toyota product???
    Totally hypocritical in my opinion. If you were the true patriot that you
    claim to be you wouldn't have accepted a job working on Toyotas.

    Just out of curiosity, if the domestic automobile quality is "no different"
    than that of Asian makes such as Honda/Acura, Toyota/Lexus and
    Nissan/Infiniti, then why are the Detroit-based 'Big 2.5' continuing to lose
    overall market share on a perpetual basis?

    Ron M.
     
    Ron M., Apr 1, 2006
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    I'm Po' Guest

    Razz what you say may be true...but havnt you heard?..America is forsale.
    Just ask Vicenta Fox of Mexico, thanks to Bush we are now even owe money to
    Mexico and Fox just loves it when Mexicans cross the border and get jobs and
    send money back to families in Mexico, Yep Fox just loves that.


     
    I'm Po', Apr 1, 2006
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    Ray O Guest

    Rolls Royce is now part of the BMW Group. Bentley is now part of the
    Volkswagen Group.
     
    Ray O, Apr 1, 2006
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  17. Yeah, I remember when Lee Iacocca and others were trying to get us to
    buy American and making foreign car driving employees park in a
    segregated lot, etc. All while buying up stock in Mitsubishi and Toyota
    and Mazda, etc.

    hypocrites is right
     
    Carl 1 Lucky Texan, Apr 1, 2006
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  18. Isn't the Aveo rebadged from a Suzuki or Kia or something?

    Carl
     
    Carl 1 Lucky Texan, Apr 1, 2006
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    Cool Jet Guest

    Enough is enough, when it comes to B.S.
    Bearman, get off your soapbox and admit the truth. Don't flatter
    yourself. You and I both know that when Mike said:
    "> >I guess you are not familiar with the Twin Gouges dam, the largest
    in the
    you and many more of us did a Google or other search and found that the
    dam in China is called the "Three Gorges (or Gourges) dam". So Mike
    was essentially right when he said, "Do a search you will learn
    something...".

    Ergo, you should be thanking Mike for teaching you and others something
    that you didn't previously know. So come down off your high horse and
    thank him - if you have the cajones. ;-)
     
    Cool Jet, Apr 1, 2006
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    Ray O Guest

    The Chevy Aveo is made by (GM owned) Daewoo in South Korea.
     
    Ray O, Apr 1, 2006
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