R.I.P. General Motors (1931-2006)

Can a state pass a law that restricts interstate commerce, and the Hummer
meets federal width standards? In many states Hummers and other SUVs are
licensed as passenger car that exhibit the same plate as a Civic


mike hunt



There is nothing stopping State or local

 

Actually it is a mini-van with a cargo box LOL


mike hunt

 

Uniform MSRPs for motor vehicles are the law of the land. My guess is
dealers comply by have different smoke and mirrors add on package prices.
LOL


mike hunt


dealers get together to determine pricing is a violatio of anti-trust laws.

 

To whom are your responding? What part of the thread. Please make your posts
inline, rather than the rude top posting.

Thanks.

jeff

 

A buyer must first apply to the manufacture for a fleet number, and meet set
standards, to receive the current fleet discount on those particular
vehicles on which a dealer can offer a fleet discount. Not all vehicles a
manufacture sells have a fleet discount and not even all models within the
brand. You see lots of cars in rental fleets that do not have a discount.
For instance, the V6 Mustang coupe is the only Mustang that has a $600 fleet
discount. No discount is offered on the V6 convertible or any GT. Contrary
to what many believe although corporate fleets buy the Grand Marquis and
Crown Vic they do NOT offer a fleet discount, not even the taxi... The
Police Interceptor model is the only CV discounted. Even
then it is limited to certain build weeks

Lack of capacity is BS, imports do not make the trucks that most fleets buy
and they have not been successful at getting much of the fleet car
business, except for rental car companies Toyota had a 100 day supply of
excess 2005 Camrys at the end of the model run late in 2005 and a they had a
120 day supply of 2006s when they introded the 2007 six months later. The
fact is Camry sales were the highest in the 2004 model year..

The whole fleet sales thing is just an excuse by the import buyers in an
attempt to justify why their favorite brand, that they think is so much
better than the next guys, does not sell as well as the domestics. What
difference can it possible make to a dealer, domestic or foreign, who
chooses to buy a vehicle from him?



mike hunt

 

The dealer has no obligation to sell to a manufactures employees, and many
small dealers do not. Manufactures employee pricing grosses the dealer only
7% of the invoice price, and that includes the holdback.


mike hunt

 

I'll try to remember that next time, OK

mike hunt

 

Sure they do, Toyota builds most of their vehicles at lower cost overseas,
or assembles them in the US with imported parts, pay their employees less
and offer then fewer benefits and they do not pay US federal corporate
income taxes on the profit earned in the US.

Every manufacturer makes more on trucks than cars, especially FWD vehicles



mike hunt

 

Gee it went up in since yesterday when you said it was only 5% LOL


mike hunt

 

mike,
Please stop top posting--it makes it hard to follow a thread.

You may not know that GM and Ford does have factories in foreign
countries. I don't have a list of those countries in front of me. If
anyone does know the couuntries where those factories are located, please
post the list. I seem to recall that GM and Ford has factories in Mexico.

Several years ago, I recall reading stories in car magazines indicating
that Ford and GM offered special deals for people that purchased Ford and
GM cars--they would pay all the interest on car loans. They sold lots of
cars but
were not making very much money due to millions of dollars they had to pay
to fund those interest costs. Honda and Toyota does not need to do these
types of things to sell cars so they make more money than Ford or GM on
every car that they sell.

Jason

 

On a $20,000 vehicle, that's $1400. It is easy to see why a dealer wouldn't
want the extra money.

Please inline post. It makes your threads and logic even harder to follow.

Jeff

 

What went up yesterday?

(...)

Jeff

 

Please provide data to show that Toyota builds most of its parts overseas
and ships them here.

Jeff

 

Toyota uses the # R.L. Polk registrations to an operator determine if the
operator qualifies as a "fleet" and get a drop ship code.

Apparently, times have changed since I was in the business.

Most Toyota dealers were not successful at fleet sales for several reasons.
Dealers who were around when demand far outstripped supply had little
experience in competing with the domestic nameplates for fleet sales, and as
Mike often points out, Toyotas used to be priced higher than a comparable
domestic vehicle, and in some cases, still are. I don't foresee Toyota
making serious inroads in the U.S. fleet business any time soon, and even at
the corporate level, becoming a fleet sales manager is not the road to the
fast track up the corporate ladder.

 

I agree. Maybe he does top posting because is logic is so bad that he
doesn't want anyone to follow it.

DC has factories in Canada, Germany and South America.

Ford and GM have factories in Canada, UK, Australia, Germany, Sweden (Volvo
and Saab) and other European countries. I think they have factories in South
America as well. Ford has a lot more manfactoring overseas and sells a lot
more overseas. Ford is a name known around the world. GM sells Vauxhalls,
Opels, Holdens and Saabs in Europe or Australia.

I think the big 2 + DC have operations in the far east as well.

Actually, the Japanese brands do do low interest or no interest loans to
well qualified costumers. But GM and Ford have to use more of these low
interest loans or lower interest loans than the Japanese brands. This
doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with GM and Ford cars, only that
GM and Ford have a harder time selling them.

Jeff

 

It would be very helpful if you'd either bottom-post or in-line
post. When you top-post it becomes virtually impossible to figure
out who you're responding to.

As for your statement (above).... what will you say when Toyota
becomes the number one selling car manufacturer in the US either
this year or next?


BTW, I don't own any Toyota vehicles. I own a Honda CRV and an Acura RL.

 

Yes they do GM, Ford and Chrysler STILL sell more vehicle in the US than do
any of the imports.


mike

 

I am not aware of the procedure for employee sales at Ford or GM. Toyota
provides an additional vehicle outside the dealer's regular allocation for
employee and courtesy deliveries

 

One only need look at the first digit of the VIN, on the individual vehicle,
to see where it is made, and the percentage of American parts. A '1'
indicates made in America of more than 70% American parts. A '4' indicates
made in America of more than 40 % American parts but less than 70% American
parts. A '5' indicates made in America of less than 40% American parts. A
'2' indicates made in Canada A '3' indicates made Mexico and a 'J'
indicates made in Japan. On Toyotas, except for those made in the GM?Toyota
plant in California which have a '1,' will exhibit a '4,' '5,' or 'J.'



mike hunt

 

Sure they do but the vast majority of the cars, with the Ford brand name on
them sold in the US, are made in the US. The rest are made mostly in
Canada and the balance in Mexico of north American parts. Ford does not
import any of the vehicles, with the Ford brand name, that it builds off
shore. The only notable exception would be the Volvo brand.. On other hand,
unlike Honda, most of Toyota brands, from the Scion to the Lexus are imports
or merely assembled here of mostly imported parts.


mike hunt