[QUOTE="jim beam"] come to the san francisco bay area. 580 oakland is posted 55. if you go much slower than 80 outside of rush hour, you'll cause an accident. it's 4 lanes, bumper to bumper. rush hour is slower - about 35. 280 is posted 65 and 80 is the rule. if you drive the 15 into las vegas from l.a. on a friday night, that's posted 65 and prevailing is about 95. that's bumper to bumper too.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry Jim, but someone obeying the law is not the one responsible (take note of that word) for causing the collision(s). The ones responsible for the collision(s) are the people who aren't willing to obey the law.