Rear seatbelt problem

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Sharp Dressed Man, Jan 30, 2009.

  1. For the first time, I rode in the rear seat of my 07 Accord sedan EX-L V6
    and found a problem with all three seatbelts.

    After I hooked them up, the shoulder straps just got tighter and tighter
    under normal highway driving conditions- a constant 65 MPH. There was no
    free play in them and the only way to loosen them was to open it, let it
    retract all the way in, then pull out and refasten. as there is in the front
    seatbelts.

    What's that all about?
     
    Sharp Dressed Man, Jan 30, 2009
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  2. Sharp Dressed Man

    Tegger Guest



    Safety regulations. Thank your friendly NHTSA. Not much you can do.

    Can you not squish yourself into the seatback to release the belt from its
    ratchet, then immediately use your thumb to pull the belt back out again?
     
    Tegger, Jan 30, 2009
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  3. Sharp Dressed Man

    Seth Guest

    Did you extend the belt all the way out when fastening it? That's a
    "feature" for use with car seats where there should be no play or movement.
    Try not pulling it out all the way when fastening it and it should work as
    normal.
     
    Seth, Jan 30, 2009
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  4. As TeGGer says, that's the design. Some auto shops carry clips designed to
    prevent the boa constrictor effect of seatbelts. They are fastened on to
    prevent the belts from taking up slack... but with the clips on the belts
    won't retract either.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jan 30, 2009
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  5. Sharp Dressed Man

    Dillon Pyron Guest

    My m-i-l uses a pair of clothes pins. And it scares the crap out of
    me because she leaves about 6 inches of slack in the belt. That's a
    lot of room for some major deccelleration trauma to both the thorax
    and the c-spine (basal skull fracture comes to mind).
    --

    - dillon I am not invalid

    Men are like a carpet. Lay them well and you can
    walk on them for years.
     
    Dillon Pyron, Jan 31, 2009
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  6. I agree - that is a lot of free-fall distance before the sudden stop. An
    inch or two is likely to increase the bruising, but six inches (a three inch
    free-fall) is like a three foot fall in a 10G collision, and 10 G's is not
    even a big one. There is a reason modern belts are self adjusting.

    At work we do a fair amount of tower work and safety is a constant issue.
    Our fall-arrest harnesses have to be clipped to structure above us, and even
    with the shock absorbing bungee (it rips out at a constant 800 lb pull) the
    management of free-fall - and swing - is a major consideration. In class we
    were taught that a six inch drop with the old-school body belts (which are
    called "positioning belts" now) can be fatal.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jan 31, 2009
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  7. Sharp Dressed Man

    Mark Guest

    I checked my 04, and it works as Seth describes. If I pull it all the way
    out it 'ratchets' as it returns but must go all the way back in before it
    releases. If I don't pull it out all the way it moves freely as I move
    around.
     
    Mark, Feb 1, 2009
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  8. Sharp Dressed Man

    Dillon Pyron Guest

    When I race, I wear a HANS unit. My wife made me buy it. Yeah, it's
    expensive (off the shelf units were over $900). Scott Brayton made me
    a believer.
    When I was climbing regularly, I took a fall of over 100 feet. What
    "saved" me from more severe injuries was that, on the way down, I
    pulled every piece of pro I had placed. It also helped that my second
    had an arrester and let about 15 feet run out. Most of the nuts I had
    place had rippers in them. But I hurt like hell for days. Which was
    later explained by x-rays that showed three broken ribs.
    --

    - dillon I am not invalid

    Men are like a carpet. Lay them well and you can
    walk on them for years.
     
    Dillon Pyron, Feb 1, 2009
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  9. Yup, that does it-- just pulling the belt out far enough to latch it and it
    works fine. Thanks.

    One more thing, my rear seat left and center female belt connectors are
    mounted next to each other -- but each will only accept its correct and
    corresponding male connector.
     
    Sharp Dressed Man, Feb 1, 2009
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  10. Sharp Dressed Man

    Dillon Pyron Guest

    Correct. One is marked CENTER, but it's damned hard to read, even in
    daylight.
    --

    - dillon I am not invalid

    Men are like a carpet. Lay them well and you can
    walk on them for years.
     
    Dillon Pyron, Feb 1, 2009
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  11. See the owner's manual for your shiny new $30,000 toy--that's a feature,
    too. Has been for many, many years now. And in fact--now, don't tell
    anyone--they're LABELED for which is which.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Feb 2, 2009
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  12. Labeled? Oh sure, that's really helpful------ if it's broad daylight, you
    have fighter pilot eyesight, your butt doesn't overhang both connectors and
    your belly doesn't block your line of sight.
     
    Sharp Dressed Man, Feb 2, 2009
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  13. Labeled? Oh sure, that's really helpful------ if it's broad daylight, you
    have fighter pilot eyesight, your butt doesn't overhang both connectors and
    your belly doesn't block your line of sight.[/QUOTE]

    They're also positioned very obviously.

    Plus, the owner of the car knows what's going on--because he's read the
    OWNER'S manual, you see. He's there to help.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Feb 3, 2009
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  14. Sharp Dressed Man

    Dillon Pyron Guest

    They're also positioned very obviously.

    Plus, the owner of the car knows what's going on--because he's read the
    OWNER'S manual, you see. He's there to help.[/QUOTE]

    And, failing all that:

    "Hmm, doesn't work, let's try the other one."

    When I'm reaching across the dogs to buckle them in (with a cover over
    the seat), sometimes it's a little hard to figure which one is right.
    But it only takes about 100 milliseconds to figure out which one is
    wrong.
    --

    - dillon I am not invalid

    Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and Olympic Gold isn't the only
    Gold I'm thinking of.

    Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and when I'm on Maui, Wowwie.
     
    Dillon Pyron, Feb 3, 2009
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  15. They're also positioned very obviously.

    Plus, the owner of the car knows what's going on--because he's read the
    OWNER'S manual, you see. He's there to help.[/QUOTE]

    The problem with the owner's manual is it's many hundreds of pages long-- a
    quarter of it is boilerplate "safety" warning warnings and disclaimers
    inserted by lawyers to cover their ass against a lawsuit when some butthead
    decides to drive his car off a pier and sues them because the OM didn't say
    not to operate the car in the ocean. Fully a third of my OM concerns other
    models or covers features not in my model. Thus, the useful info you need to
    know is buried four layers deep where you'd never find it. My car even came
    with a quick start guide-- itself dozens and dozens of pages long.
     
    Sharp Dressed Man, Feb 3, 2009
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