Rear wiper on a sedan?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Tegger, Oct 22, 2009.

  1. Tegger

    Tegger Guest



    You said:
    "Why are you dangerous?"
    As posted, your question requested him to explain his dangerousness.
    Nothing in the thread said anything about his behavior one way or the
    other.

    If you had instead punctuated your sentence this way:
    "Why? Are you dangerous?"
    that would have made more sense in the context of the thread.


    A heavy truck is not the same as a passenger car. A heavy truck's
    mirrors are much larger, for one thing, and for another it's impossible
    to provide a rear window in a 53' trailer (or in a sleeper-cab tractor).
    Plus trucks cannot perform the sort of sudden maneuvers that cars can.

    Passenger-car side mirrors are meant to be aimed into the side blind-spots
    not covered by your forward peripheral vision or by the rear-view
    mirror.
    Here's a pretty good explanation of passenger-car side-view-mirror
    aiming I found using Google:
    <http://www.linquist.net/motorsports/tech/mirrors/>
     
    Tegger, Oct 24, 2009
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  2. Tegger

    Tegger Guest



    Passenger-car side mirrors are /far/ too small to provide a proper all-over
    view. Heavy-truck side-view mirrows are much larger.

    For work I frequently travel with sufficient cargo as to be unable to see
    out the rear window of my Integra. My right-side mirror is -- trust me on
    this -- wholly inadequate for anything close to complete comprehension of
    the surrounding traffic.

    I find myself changing lanes on the highway a bit the way a transport
    driver does: Signal first, then wait a bit so I'm pretty sure everybody
    sees it. As the signal flashes, I bob and weave about in my seat, studying
    in detail the view out my tiny right-side mirror. Nobody apparently there?
    Signal still on, I /slowly/ begin my lane change, waiting for a horn honk.
    No horn honk? Then it's probably safe. I continue moving over. I've been
    pretty careful over the last 18 years; only one horn-honk.
     
    Tegger, Oct 24, 2009
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  3. Tegger

    Tegger Guest



    Passenger-car side mirrors are /far/ too small to provide a proper all-over
    view. Heavy-truck side-view mirrows are much larger.

    For work I frequently travel with sufficient cargo as to be unable to see
    out the rear window of my Integra. My right-side mirror is -- trust me on
    this -- wholly inadequate for anything close to complete comprehension of
    the surrounding traffic.

    I find myself changing lanes on the highway a bit the way a transport
    driver does: Signal first, then wait a bit so I'm pretty sure everybody
    sees it. As the signal flashes, I bob and weave about in my seat, studying
    in detail the view out my tiny right-side mirror. Nobody apparently there?
    Signal still on, I /slowly/ begin my lane change, waiting for a horn honk.
    No horn honk? Then it's probably safe. I continue moving over. I've been
    pretty careful over the last 18 years; only one horn-honk.
     
    Tegger, Oct 24, 2009
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    Brian Smith Guest

    Trucks sometimes have to perform sudden maneuvers to avoid the idiots
    that don't know how to operate their cars safely.
    Side mirrors are the way to go when keeping track of what is going on
    around your vehicle. That's the bottom line and people should be open to
    learning more from the other's personal experience gained over the years.
     
    Brian Smith, Oct 24, 2009
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  5. Tegger

    Brian Smith Guest

    I disagree on the first part of this paragraph and agree with the
    second portion.
    If you adjust your right side mirror properly, you will see that you
    are able to see properly.
    What you have described here is the proper (and legal) way to initiate
    and safely complete a lane change. Congratulations, you are one a very
    few drivers on the road that know how to do that one maneuver.
     
    Brian Smith, Oct 24, 2009
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  6. Tegger

    Brian Smith Guest

    I disagree on the first part of this paragraph and agree with the
    second portion.
    If you adjust your right side mirror properly, you will see that you
    are able to see properly.
    What you have described here is the proper (and legal) way to initiate
    and safely complete a lane change. Congratulations, you are one a very
    few drivers on the road that know how to do that one maneuver.
     
    Brian Smith, Oct 24, 2009
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  7. Tegger

    Brian Smith Guest

    I did say "have never had", I can't see a need in the future to look at
    the rear window either.
     
    Brian Smith, Oct 24, 2009
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  8. Tegger

    Brian Smith Guest

    I did say "have never had", I can't see a need in the future to look at
    the rear window either.
     
    Brian Smith, Oct 24, 2009
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  9. Are you saying that you never look in the rear view mirror to see what's
    happening directly behind you?

    If that's the case, I'll remember to give you a WIDE berth.

    Not that you'll ever try this, but properly set mirrors mean you don't
    have to twist your neck around to see what's happening around you.

    If your side mirrors are set properly, you have zero blind spots.
    Everything that's happening around you, you can see by looking in the
    rear view mirror, or as the cars exit that and come up beside you you'll
    see them in the side mirror, or as the cars exit that and come further
    up beside you you'll see them in your peripheral vision.

    All without ever moving your head farther than over to your side mirrors.

    So in that regard, there's zero reason to twist around and plant your
    eyeballs directly outside a rear window, yes.

    But not to use a rear view mirror, not to see things that the side
    mirror can't show you? Not to have a heads up on what's happening back
    there BEFORE the action comes into a side mirror?

    That's fucking insane.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Oct 24, 2009
    #49
  10. Are you saying that you never look in the rear view mirror to see what's
    happening directly behind you?

    If that's the case, I'll remember to give you a WIDE berth.

    Not that you'll ever try this, but properly set mirrors mean you don't
    have to twist your neck around to see what's happening around you.

    If your side mirrors are set properly, you have zero blind spots.
    Everything that's happening around you, you can see by looking in the
    rear view mirror, or as the cars exit that and come up beside you you'll
    see them in the side mirror, or as the cars exit that and come further
    up beside you you'll see them in your peripheral vision.

    All without ever moving your head farther than over to your side mirrors.

    So in that regard, there's zero reason to twist around and plant your
    eyeballs directly outside a rear window, yes.

    But not to use a rear view mirror, not to see things that the side
    mirror can't show you? Not to have a heads up on what's happening back
    there BEFORE the action comes into a side mirror?

    That's fucking insane.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Oct 24, 2009
    #50
  11. You are clearly trolling with this.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Oct 24, 2009
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  12. Tegger

    tww1491 Guest

    Often wondered too. When I was stationed in Japan in 1967-69, the Skyline
    2000 was a great sports sedan with a 2.0 liter SOHC I6 with a 5 speed. The
    versions I recall came with the dual Solex copy of the Weber carb with a
    dual exhaust. They ran like stink and handled. The car was originally made
    by the Prince Motor Car Co which was bought out by Datsun (Nissan). I used
    to autocross against them with a modified Sunbean Tiger in Tokyo Sports Car
    Club. I have a picture somewhere of the Skyline back then with the hood
    open.
     
    tww1491, Oct 24, 2009
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  13. Tegger

    tww1491 Guest

    Often wondered too. When I was stationed in Japan in 1967-69, the Skyline
    2000 was a great sports sedan with a 2.0 liter SOHC I6 with a 5 speed. The
    versions I recall came with the dual Solex copy of the Weber carb with a
    dual exhaust. They ran like stink and handled. The car was originally made
    by the Prince Motor Car Co which was bought out by Datsun (Nissan). I used
    to autocross against them with a modified Sunbean Tiger in Tokyo Sports Car
    Club. I have a picture somewhere of the Skyline back then with the hood
    open.
     
    tww1491, Oct 24, 2009
    #53
  14. Tegger

    Brian Smith Guest

    Not in the least, this practice has been proven over the years.
     
    Brian Smith, Oct 24, 2009
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  15. Tegger

    Brian Smith Guest

    That is correct. There is no need to look out the rear window, if one
    keeps their eyes moving taking in what is going on around their vehicle.
    I've been doing it for forty years now and no incidents for well over
    two and a half million miles.
    No need to worry about me and my vehicle, I'll see you coming long
    before you're close enough to be a problem. :^)
    But, one can know what is going on behind them if they keep checking
    their mirrors properly. Nothing can sneak up on you, if you're paying
    attention.
    Untrue.
     
    Brian Smith, Oct 24, 2009
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  16. Tegger

    Brian Smith Guest

    That is correct. There is no need to look out the rear window, if one
    keeps their eyes moving taking in what is going on around their vehicle.
    I've been doing it for forty years now and no incidents for well over
    two and a half million miles.
    No need to worry about me and my vehicle, I'll see you coming long
    before you're close enough to be a problem. :^)
    But, one can know what is going on behind them if they keep checking
    their mirrors properly. Nothing can sneak up on you, if you're paying
    attention.
    Untrue.
     
    Brian Smith, Oct 24, 2009
    #56
  17. No need to worry about me and my vehicle, I'll see you coming long
    before you're close enough to be a problem. :^)[/QUOTE]

    I bet you anything you want that a fairly simple test would show that
    you have no idea by and large what's happening behind and beside you.
    I'll also bet you anything you want that you would never agree to such a
    test.

    ALL mirrors, to include the rear view mirror (to see what's going on
    behind you--through the rear window) and the side mirrors, if properly
    set.

    There is no way that side mirrors can show everything that's going on
    behind you. And if they're showing ANYTHING that's going on behind you,
    they're not at all able to show ANYTHING that's going on beside you in
    your blind spot.

    But you know that, because you're just trolling.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Oct 24, 2009
    #57
  18. No need to worry about me and my vehicle, I'll see you coming long
    before you're close enough to be a problem. :^)[/QUOTE]

    I bet you anything you want that a fairly simple test would show that
    you have no idea by and large what's happening behind and beside you.
    I'll also bet you anything you want that you would never agree to such a
    test.

    ALL mirrors, to include the rear view mirror (to see what's going on
    behind you--through the rear window) and the side mirrors, if properly
    set.

    There is no way that side mirrors can show everything that's going on
    behind you. And if they're showing ANYTHING that's going on behind you,
    they're not at all able to show ANYTHING that's going on beside you in
    your blind spot.

    But you know that, because you're just trolling.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Oct 24, 2009
    #58
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    Stewart Guest

    Might as well do away with it.
     
    Stewart, Oct 24, 2009
    #59
  20. Tegger

    Stewart Guest

    Might as well do away with it.
     
    Stewart, Oct 24, 2009
    #60
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