Repeatedly Running On A Low Tank?

That seems fairly evident.

As far as 'oil' or 'oiled', you're assuming I actually am paying attention
to what you're spewing. I couldn't care less, cause you're a blowhard and
a moron.

Tell me something: if JDM engines are so good, WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN
JUNKYARDS, moron?!?!

Now, post the data you were going to post, or STFU.

 

oh, when you said "it did", i thought you were bullshitting since that's
not a recognizable data point here on planet bulldetector! my mistake!

i don't. like i told you, we don't have cars here on planet bulldetector.

so how do you do that then???

classic! a car that doesn't have the sensors necessary for an ignition
timing adjustment strategy, or compression ratio necessary to take
advantage of high octane, but it gives higher mileage!!! tell me, 'cos
i'm dying to know, exactly how does that work then?

er, well, if i may be so bold as to copy your argument style, "because
it is". how was that?

 

sorry, not so. i have some filtration data - i just have to find it.
paper is better for the reasons stated.

Let's see. "The best air filter yet is the old oil bath type..."

Oil? Oiled? Again, you don't seem to know WTF you're talking about.

But, we've grown accustomed to that, he said pendantically...

 

eh?

 

that's a classic! you don't know what you're looking at, but you're
qualified to comment on it! you could /definitely/ talk your way into
nasa with that one buddy!

tough keeping up /with/ the bullshit you mean? yep, sure is! maybe i
need to evolve another couple of hundred tentacles 'cos you're pretty
damned productive tonight...

 

Bite this you stalking pisswit.


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My question was not the effect of the oil on emissions per-se, but that
that oil that got aspirated was carrying dirt that it had filtered out
of the incoming air stream - i.e., the purpose of a filter is to prevent
the entry of dirt into the engine, yet the very media that captures (and
holds?) the dirt is being ingested to some degree.

Are you saying, or would you say, that (1) The dirt captured by the oil
for the most part is not in suspension (i.e., it settles out), and (2)
The amount of oil ingested (proportionally containing very little
suspended dirt?) is not significant - the total effect being that the
dirt entering the engine with the ingested oil is very small - much
smaller than would occur with a good paper filter?

You're looking at on the order of 97-98% efficiency of a good paper
filter. When you're talking a couple of percent, even small amounts
getting thru (by ingestion of the oil) could have significant effects on
the total efficiency numbers (for oil bath filters). To really know
what that is, the typical total ingestion rate (dirt contained in the
inadvertently ingested oil drops) would need to be quantified.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

That's why there are two filter media. The oil in the tank is one and
the 'steel wool' is the other. What dirt that isn't flung into the
oil tank is captured by the oil-wetted fibers.

 

You really should read my response. I addressed that by saying, and I
quote myself:

"The oil in the filter media was constantly washed out and replaced
by clean oil from the bath. So the dirt trapped by the oil was
deposited in the oil tank."

What I'm saying is that very, very little oil would make it through
the filter and into the engine. What little did make it into the
engine would be relatively clean. All of this presupposes that the
filter is properly serviced.

When you quantify the efficiency of a filter, you have to spec the
size of the particles you're talking about. The efficiency of a good
paper filter would be 0% if you're talking about virus and 100% if
you're talking about 1/2 inch stones.

This conversation, while interesting, is rather pointless. No car
manufactured today uses an oil-bath air cleaner so it's efficiency is
meaningless.

I would be interested in seeing some scientific tests comparing paper
filters to oil-bath under real-life conditions. Both regarding
maximum particle size that makes it through the filter as well as
total amount of dirt removed during the service life. That would
answer your questions as well as mine.

Jack

 

actually, the steel wool is to capture oil droplets created by bubbling,
not dirt. otherwise the oil level would constantly drop as it would be
ingested by the engine - as still happens to a small degree anyway.

 

in terms of mass, according to the bosch automotive handbook, modern
paper filters are 99.8% efficient for cars, 99.95% for trucks. it also
discusses nanofiber media with fiber diameters down to 30-40nm, but it's
unclear whether this means particles are also filtered to that level or not.

 

Go have a look in the Honda group. What kind of balance shaft does a '91
Accord have?

"...you must be thinking about a Toyota Camry..."

(Paraphrasing
"Gee, I didn't know I spent 6 years and 225,000 miles driving a Toyota
Camry I thought was a Honda Accord..."

Looks like you don't know your ass from a hole in the wall in the Honda
group, either...

 

At least I can tell the difference between an Accord and a Camry, Bozo.

What kind of balance shaft does a '91 Accord have, numbnutz?

Naw, it's sifting through your own you're having the trouble with,
Jackass.

 

What do you mean, 'doesn't have the sensors"? Of course it has the
sensors, Jackass. '95 Twin Cam EFI.

And compression ratio doesn't have a lot to do with it. But you wouldn't
know that.

I had it all down in the book in the glove box. See, other than talking
out of my ass, I actually make notes of changes (cause) and results
(effect). That way I can make statements as to my observations, instead
of just pulling statements out of my ass.

"But I have data showing that can't work!" Yeah, and I have Real World
data that shows you're wrong, Jackass.

 

Yeah, you're correct. Everything you post is b.s.

 

Here's the intake I installed on the car:

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/rodi_2003_63837953

Here's an OEM style:

http://www.car-stuff.com/store/images/prodimage/images/beck_arnley/
BA-0421515-1.jpg

You can see the outside diameter of the Pilot 'performance' air filter
pretty much covers the area of the entire OEM style filter.

Then you have the cone section, which adds about another 1/3.

Now, for example, let's say the OEM allows 8 CFM airflow. The performance
filter is ~1/3 larger, so should allow ~11 CFM. (These numbers are
arbitrary.)

For any given throttle plate opening, there will be more air trying to
get to the combustion chambers with the high-flow filter than with the
stock filter. More air entering the chamber should provide better
performance, that's why most people looking for performance try to get
more air into the intake plenum.

With a higher airflow at any given throttle plate opening, more air is
going to pass through with a less restrictive filter. Also, the tube is
smooth rather than fluted like the stock intake, since noise really isn't
an issue, so airflow is straight through and not interrupted by the
fluting used to damp the sound.

Also the tube was designed to place the opening in the end of the new
filter at the hole in the fender where outside air is drawn into the
stock airbox, and had a heat shield to try to block engine heat. It was
also well away from the exhaust manifold and plumbing, so the engine was
being allowed to intake cooler air faster.

Also, while doing all this I pulled the fuse to the ECM, for about 20+
minutes, so when the car was started the parameters were reset to take
into account the increased air flow.

Flashing the prom would have taken even more advantage of the increased
airflow, but I wasn't trying to turn a 1.5 liter engine into a Boy Racer,
I was just looking for a little better performance than stock.

 

WTF is Bosch going to say, "Our filters suck"?

 

Yup. It was an electronic feedback constant vacuum carb.

 

Not water soluable, but they get trapped very efficiently none the
less. It WORKS and that's what matters.

 

Do you know what an OIL BATH air filter is?