Repeatedly Running On A Low Tank?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Don't Taze Me, Bro!, Jun 2, 2008.

  1. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    jim beam Guest

    a couple of grams. diamond is better than silica though. seriously,
    one of my old profs had done some research on using 0.25 micron diamond
    polishing dust in new engines. apparently it reduced wear and decreased
    friction substantially. wish i had the data.

    you didn't - they lasted that long in spite of your treatment, not
    because of it.

    swri is bogus???
     
    jim beam, Jun 5, 2008
  2. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    jim beam Guest

    i'm talking about the sucking side, not the pushing side. if you suck
    hard enough on any liquid, the column separates. if it's a liquid full
    of volatiles, especially on a hot day at high altitude, you'll not have
    to suck very hard. hence you attempt to keep the column rise as close
    to zero as possible. putting the pump down in the tank achieves exactly
    that.

    its definitely part of the picture, but it's not the full story - you
    could easily mount such an assembly on the engine.
     
    jim beam, Jun 5, 2008
  3. Not at all. I didn't want your head to explode by jamming three concepts
    into it at once.

    And here I am trying to be considerate...
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Jun 5, 2008
  4. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    jim beam Guest


    pfft.
     
    jim beam, Jun 5, 2008

  5. Bet you like hitting yourself in the head with a ball-peen hammer, too...
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Jun 5, 2008
  6. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    Ray O Guest

    I have no experience with fluid dynamics so I'll have to take your word
    about the phenomenon. I would imagine that while 40+ PSI is enough to
    prevent vapor lock on the pushing side, it isn't enough to cause the column
    separation that you are describing since I've never heard of that happening
    either. Wouldn't increasing the diameter of the suction side reduce the
    pressure and therefore the tendency of the column to separte? If so, it
    seems like that would be a simpler solution than re-designing the fuel pump,
    tank, and mounting hardware.

    In other words, it seems to me that lowering assembly costs would be the
    primary reason for mounting the fuel pump in the tank, and reducing the
    phenomenon you are describing would be a secondary side benefit.
     
    Ray O, Jun 5, 2008
  7. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    Bill Putney Guest

    You must have not read where I wrote in what you quoted "...The small
    amount generally does not overload the fuel and is able to be handled
    without noticeable symptoms. In some colder climates, it might be
    advisable to put in a can of Dri-Gas periodically. Also - don't forget
    plastic tanks (that don't rust..."

    Tanks today are plastic, right? I agree that in the past it would have
    been a much bigger problem.

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Jun 5, 2008
  8. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    Bill Putney Guest

    Most in-lines I've seen were near the fuel tank (to - as you say - avoid
    vapor lock). The integration of the pump into the sending unit had
    different motivations than what were already met with in-line pumps.

    Bill Putney
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    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Jun 5, 2008
  9. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    Bill Putney Guest

    Heat is the enemy, and the primary cause of vapor lock - but - yes - the
    negative pressure also would contribute to vapor lock.

    Bill Putney
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    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Jun 5, 2008
  10. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    jim beam Guest

    please try to think rationally for a moment - you're again projecting a
    problem /you/ have, onto a third party. in this case, a third party
    you've never met. is that the way you want to keep on living your life?
    at this juncture, professional help is probably your best option.
     
    jim beam, Jun 5, 2008
  11. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    hachiroku Guest

    I dunno about the K&N filters...

    I had a '95 Tercel, and got a cold air intake for it for $50. Now, I
    didn't put a K&N on it, but it was a similar filter, and my gas mileage
    went from ~40 to ~45 MPG. And I did notice a better throttle response off
    the line, too.
     
    hachiroku, Jun 5, 2008
  12. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    hachiroku Guest

    Not at all. After all, you keep responding, don't you?
     
    hachiroku, Jun 5, 2008
  13. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    jim beam Guest


    you'll never have a chance of fixing a problem if you don't realize you
    have one. you have a problem. go fix it.
     
    jim beam, Jun 5, 2008
  14. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    hachiroku Guest

    So on one hand, you're saying gasoline flowing through the pump is enough
    to cool it, and then you say gas isn't efficient enough at cooling?

    Stop and think...maybe that's why they put them in the tank.

    Put the ball peen hammer away.
     
    hachiroku, Jun 5, 2008
  15. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    jim beam Guest

    lack of comprehension. projection of own inadequacy. get help.
     
    jim beam, Jun 5, 2008

  16. I'm trying, but you keep coming back for more...
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Jun 5, 2008

  17. You can't even remember what you said 5 posts ago,,,
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Jun 5, 2008
  18. Don't Taze Me, Bro!

    Bill Putney Guest

    And more dirt was ingested by the engine, which is OK as long as you
    realize the tradeoffs in making the decision to use it. Problem is,
    most people believe the advertising hype but are ignorant of its
    inferior dirt-catching qualities.

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Jun 5, 2008
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    Bill Putney Guest

    Carbone of America. U.S. division of French-owned Carbone Lorraine.

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Jun 6, 2008
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    Tegger Guest




    In my neck of the wodds it seems to be mostly Gilbarco.




    These look nothing like the pump filters I was shown. The filters I saw
    more resembled a larger and somewhat coarser version of the basket
    filter that goes in some Toyotas' windshield washer reservoir filler
    necks.




    It was explained to me that the primary problem with underground tanks
    is not dirt or rust, but stirred-up water in freshly-filled tanks.
    Apparently tanks are supposed to be taken offline for a couple of hours
    to let water settle out, but nobody actually does that. Gas stations do
    not filter water out, it seems.




    I see similar ones, but the ones I see are a much lighter green, even
    almost white.
     
    Tegger, Jun 6, 2008
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