replaced timing belt, now big oil leak

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by JLA, Dec 10, 2005.

  1. JLA

    JLA Guest

    I have a 2002 Honda Accord, four cylinder.

    I hit the 100k mark for mileage already because of my long commute and
    had my mechanic change the timing belt. He also replaced the water
    pump as Honda recommends and flushed the radiator.

    Two days later, I notice quite a bit of oil in my garage floor. I
    check my oil and I've lost about two-thirds of it. Darn oil light
    never came on.

    Do you think the timing belt replacement and the new oil leak are
    related? I've never had a problem before.
     
    JLA, Dec 10, 2005
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    jim beam Guest

    yes.
     
    jim beam, Dec 10, 2005
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    Elle Guest

    Two possibilities:

    The valve cover (a.k.a. "cylinder head cover") has to come
    off to do this job. If it's not replaced carefully, its
    gasket won't seat right, and oil will be spewed all over the
    exterior of the lower engine. So inspect the lower part of
    the engine. Try to see where the film of oil stops. If it
    stops near where the valve cover seats against the cylinder
    head, I'd take it back, explain your suspicion and the
    problem and ask if they'd be willing to put a new gasket on,
    in the name of good relations. If they won't, I'd eat the
    charge, because the gasket should be changed every 100k
    miles or so anyway.

    Here's a drawing of the gasket and valve cover:
    http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/jsp/mws/prddisplay.
    jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=Accord&catcgry2=2002&catcgry3=2DR+
    LX&catcgry4=KA4AT&catcgry5=CYLINDER+HEAD+COVER

    It's also not a hard Do-It-Yourself job.

    Another alternative is that they damaged the oil pan. On
    many (all?) Hondas, at least one engine mount has to be
    freed for the timing belt job. The mechanic has to support
    the engine in an alternative way while completing the job.
    For my 91 Civic, one puts plywood and a jack underneat the
    oil pan. If done incorrectly, the oil pan will become
    damaged. (One shop did dent my oil pan!) Look for leaks in
    the vicinity of the oil pan drain plug and around the oil
    pan's gasket. You'll have to get under the car to see these.
    Maybe refill the car with oil, drive it a few miles, then
    put a big piece of cardboard underneath, and trace the
    drips to the source.

    Re the oil pressure light not coming on: Some kid at a
    private shop was troubleshooting a no start condition I was
    having while on vacation and took off the valve cover for an
    inspection. I watched him do it, and know he sped through
    putting everything back together and was not attentive to
    the valve cover gasket. About a thousand miles later, I
    found the oil level on the dipstick barely visible.
    Naturally I found the exterior of the engine covered with
    oil. But my low oil pressure light never came on. The car is
    fine, 40+k miles and a few years later. I replaced the valve
    cover gasket, following the manual's directions and those of
    people here carefully, and all was well.
     
    Elle, Dec 10, 2005
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    Al Guest

    To add one more possibility - did you also have the oil and filter
    changed with the job (not an unreasonable thing to do with this job) -
    if so check the filter.

    .....and - the light monitors oil PRESSURE - not oil LEVEL or VOLUME.
    You will have full pressure up until the second the oil level becomes
    one drop too low, at which time the pressure becomes zero, the light
    goes on - and the engines becomes toast - all in the space of a second
    or two.
     
    Al, Dec 10, 2005
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    SoCalMike Guest


    as the level drops, wont the pump cause the oil to cavitate? ie: suck it
    up in spurts, followed by air, then more oil? id guess if thats the
    case, the light would flicker a bit before it stays on. but once it
    stays on, yes- the engine is toast.
     
    SoCalMike, Dec 11, 2005
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    efic Guest

    Did they change seals when they changed the timingbelt? They usually
    do. Perhaps they did not get one on right, or forgot it completely.
     
    efic, Dec 13, 2005
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    speedy Guest

    If the oil light EVER comes on while you are driving... your engine has
    been starved for oil and some damage will be done!

    As for the leak... if I remember right the oil dipstick tube needs to be
    removed for this job. It may have not been put back in correctly and oil
    is leaking out the tube.

    Look carefully.

    -SP
     
    speedy, Dec 19, 2005
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