Saab Complaint

Stop posting in the Toyota newsgroup.

 

Laura, while these are reasonable and intelligent suggestions, it
is also unrealistic for you to expect every auto buyer to conduct
this kind of detailed study before they make their purchase
choice. It almost makes me wonder if you yourself just wanted to
vent a little at me... maybe let yourself off the hook for
choices you have made in your own past.

If that's what you're doing, that's OK. I can deal with it.

I'll point out to you now, that in general, USA auto buyers
simply don't have enough information available to them to make
the kind of detailed, exquisitely informed buying decisions that
your response here implies they can. Without good product
quality information, we simply must rely to a large part on the
manufacturer and the dealer to "warrant" that the car we have
just purchased is safely designed, built and equipped. I think
you know what I'm getting at.

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I didn't go to NHTSA or the tire rack two years ago because I
didn't know I would need to. I thought Saab's choice of Michelins
as OEM equipment were probably a good choice for my 9-3. I was
more concerned about my brakes, the turbo, the transmission, and
the electronics. This is probably a usual and normal concern for
most Saab buyers. While my concerns might not meet your precise
standards, neither was I a negligent or careless buyer. I took
more than a year to pick out my Saab: in fact, it might have been
two years.

When I originally posted my "complaint" here, I was angry but I
was contained. It was not an abusive rant. In any case, I didn't
address my post to anyone in this group; where they could
logically assume I was attacking them personally. Go back and
read that original post.

I didn't realize it was a big-deal safety issue at that point. I
hadn't collected information yet.

Now I have a little more data from other people, and I do indeed
believe that Michelin tires on 2001 Saab 9-3s are a safety issue
worth reporting. Tires matter: Particularly on smaller cars that
are designed to run on low-profile tires that can fail so
suddenly under normal use and care. I now believe that at the
very least, Saab made an unconsciably poor OEM tire choice for
their 2001 9-3s.


mb

 

I don't think I am misusing the word "criminal" at all. I've
explained exactly what I meant by the term and you have read my
explanation.

In fact, at this point I think you are inflating this nit so you
can rationalize your own frustration at being unable to address
the real issues my posts are raising. You don't want to read that
Saabs have problems.

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The fact remains that I had two blowouts in six months (less than
10,000 miles) on Saab's OEM-supplied Michelin tires, with good
care and light driving use. This performance is unacceptably
poor by any standard or measure.

The fact also remains that you don't know squat about American
Communications Law, the concept of "fair comment," or what
passes for Freedom of Speech in the US. Perhaps you should
confine your responses to Saab's very poor OEM choice for tires
in the future.

No one asked you to read my posts, or anyone elses. If you can't
stand to read a reasonable complaint once in a while, then maybe
YOU're the whiner here; and not me.

As far as litigation goes; .... well, your nieve comment just
shows how very little you know about product liability law as it
is practiced in the United States. I have no plans here.

Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires
that should NEVER have blown out. It isn't just bad luck: It's
a product safety issue. ... Not only for me, but potentially for
any other driver of a late model Saab that might encounter the
same conditions I did.

This makes my post a good subject for this newsgroup.

Because it involves low profile OEM tires on a smaller sedan; it
also makes my experience a good one to share on several other
auto newsgroups as well.

The discussion here ought not to be about whether I personally am
a whiner, a moron, an "arrogant prick," a poor sport, or am
"slandering" Michelin.

The discussion should be about Saabs; other small cars that are
equipped with low profile tires; good and bad tire choices; tire
care; and links to where all of us can conduct research into
these issues and more.


mb

 

So, what did Michelin customer service say when you called them. What are
you running for tire pressure.

It was the Ford/Firestone (not bridgestone) problem. Ford put firestones on
there explorers, and when they rode to stiff, they lowered the tire
pressure. Running tires underinflated blows tires, its as simple as that.

 

Here's the deal: I had two blowouts on low mileage OEM tires

Milt, I'm bored with all this, please come back and post the results of
your expert witness who will have investigated the *actual* reason for
the blowouts of your tyres.

Continual conjecture is getting very old very quickly!

My inlet manifold hose shouldn't have come off last Thursday suddenly
leaving me powerless at 80mph in the outside lane of a motorway but it
did - life goes on.

David.

 

Agreed - it's not like the geezer's tyres popped because they were on a
Saab, and its not because they're a crap tyre - Michelins are among the
better tyres of the market.

Stop complaining, freak accident.


Nick.

 

[snip]

I look at this newsgroup no more often than once every few weeks, the
reason being that I do not own a SAAB. My brother used to own a 1986
9000 on which I did a little work.

As for the tires, you can check on recalls or file a complaint by
going to this website:

http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/Equipment/Tires/index.html

 

Miltoon,

You sure get around the newsgroups. What a toon.

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Miltoon,

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Let's hope your new Civic doesn't come with Michelins.

Read the following excerpt:

From: curious ()
Subject: Michelin tires on Accord 2002


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Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.honda
Date: 2003-09-15 14:51:54 PST


Hello,
I've got a 2002 accord with 18,000 miles.

I've the original Michelin tires. I've some uneven treadwear and a few
brown lines (look like stitch marks) going around the tire.

Since I've had so little mileage, does anyone have experience with
getting prorated on new Michelin tires?

Any other recommendations?

Thanks,
c

....buy a Saab...mine came with Pirelli's!

 

Let's hope your new Civic doesn't come with Michelins.

Read the following excerpt:

From: curious ()
Subject: Michelin tires on Accord 2002


View this article only
Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.honda
Date: 2003-09-15 14:51:54 PST


Hello,
I've got a 2002 accord with 18,000 miles.

I've the original Michelin tires. I've some uneven treadwear and a few
brown lines (look like stitch marks) going around the tire.

Since I've had so little mileage, does anyone have experience with
getting prorated on new Michelin tires?

Any other recommendations?

Thanks,
c

....buy a Saab...mine came with Pirelli's!

 

With markup on the part, markup on the labor, disposal fee for the oil,
disposal fee for the filter...yeah, a $13 oil filter should be worth
about $50. Look what an aspirin in the hospital costs!