spark plug wires: old but under 10kOhms

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by chibitul, Jul 24, 2005.

  1. chibitul

    chibitul Guest

    Hi,

    I just check the spark plug wires on my newly purchased 1997 Civic:
    they are from 1997, probably the OEM wires, and they all measured under
    10kOhms. I will also look tonight with the engine running to see if I
    notice any "sparks" around the wires, but I was wondering if I should
    replace those anyway. I am trying to make small (read cheap!)
    maintenace jobs, such as replacing the air filter, spark plugs, maybe
    the rotor and the cap, and all these are under $20, however the spark
    plug wire set is $47. If it is not absolutely necessary, I wouldn't
    replace them.

    What od you guys think?

    thanks
     
    chibitul, Jul 24, 2005
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  2. chibitul

    jmattis Guest

    Do not replace. Plug wires for the last 15+ years have a very long
    life. You've measured resistance, it's fine. Too ofter people take
    perfectly good OEM parts out, put in aftermarket, and can't figure out
    why the great new part fails in a couple of years. This is one of
    those instances where OEM is best and will last.
     
    jmattis, Jul 24, 2005
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  3. chibitul

    chibitul Guest

    "Too ofter people take perfectly good OEM parts out ..."

    Thanks, that's why I asked. I do not want to throw money down the drain
    if not necessary!

    As a side question, does anyone know why the resistance of these
    "wires" is so high? Notice that I put the word wire in between quotes.
    in DC, a normal wire of that length (let's say 30 cm) and that diameter
    (a few mm) should have 0 Ohms (well, 0.1 Ohms or so, most Digital
    MultiMeters would have trouble reading such a low resistance anyway).
    but now KiloOhms. Why?, I understand that the "resistance" of the spark
    plug is much higher, thus all the voltage drop will occur across the
    gap and the spark forms there, however a lower wire resistance will not
    hurt.

    The only thing I can think of (and remember, I am not Auto mechanic at
    all) is some soft of protection. Either to protect the coil, or perhaps
    the auto mechanic? if the resistance of the wire was small, the current
    would be higher, and possibly deadly?

    Wait a minute, that doesn't work, what if I unplug the wire right from
    the distributor and I put a nail in there, then the voltage there is
    much higher, the resistance of the nail is virtually zero and very
    dangerous for me.
     
    chibitul, Jul 25, 2005
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  4. chibitul

    TeGGeR® Guest


    You won't see the blue light show unless the wires are extremely bad.

    The wires' resistance is fine, but after that age, the insulation begins
    breaking down and current starts leaking off to ground before the plugs,
    especially in the wet.

    Replace them with OEM, along with the cap, rotor and plugs. Yes, it's
    expensive, but how much do you value reliability and peace of mind?
     
    TeGGeR®, Jul 25, 2005
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  5. chibitul

    TeGGeR® Guest



    To protect the coil.
    http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/badsecondary/index.html
     
    TeGGeR®, Jul 25, 2005
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  6. chibitul

    TeGGeR® Guest



    Might also have to do with RF emissions, rather than protecting the coil.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jul 25, 2005
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    jim beam Guest

    it /is/ to do with rf emissions.
     
    jim beam, Jul 25, 2005
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    Steve H Guest

    Sometimes I spray the wires down with a spray bottle. If the car starts
    missing: replace. I have also been known to touch the wires and feel for the
    current. Get Zapped: replace
     
    Steve H, Jul 25, 2005
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    Elle Guest

    After the above statement, do you really want to advertise your
    "credentials"?

    Oh never mind. The life of men...
     
    Elle, Jul 25, 2005
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  10. chibitul

    TeGGeR® Guest


    Then is the rotor's resistor there for the same reason?
     
    TeGGeR®, Jul 25, 2005
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  11. chibitul

    TeGGeR® Guest



    That's actually a pretty quick and convenient method of checking for bad
    wires. I've used it too.

    The voltage is bracing, but not at all harmful.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jul 25, 2005
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  12. chibitul

    jim beam Guest

    yup.
     
    jim beam, Jul 25, 2005
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  13. chibitul

    Steve H Guest

    I'd sooner touch plug wires than an electric fence; had an cousin that
    electricity didn't bother him. He'd tease his brother then grab onto a
    e-fence and wait....
     
    Steve H, Jul 25, 2005
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  14. chibitul

    Steve H Guest

    it's rudimentary, quick, gives me an answer, and it don't bite too hard.
     
    Steve H, Jul 25, 2005
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    Elle Guest

    Shadetree city. I wouldn't insure you. Matter of fact, if I were with ASE,
    I'd try to suspend your certification.
     
    Elle, Jul 25, 2005
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    Abeness Guest

    Glad you're not. That's a perfectly legit method of checking for a wire
    problem, Elle. Most mechanics I've ever spoken with, especially
    old-timers with oodles of experience under their belts, do this.
     
    Abeness, Jul 25, 2005
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  17. chibitul

    TeGGeR® Guest


    It's a fun trick to play on newbies, too.
    "Hey, hold this wire for me, will ya?"
     
    TeGGeR®, Jul 25, 2005
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    Abeness Guest

    LOL! When I was in high school I was reputed to be an electrical wizard
    (I was). Word was, don't mess too bad with Abe or he'll electrify your
    doorknob! (It was boarding school.)
     
    Abeness, Jul 25, 2005
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    Steve H Guest

    Of course for the "Correct" way of doing this, you pay for the spray bottle
    of "liquid" to spray on the wires and look for the sparks. By paying for
    something with a label, you acquire "the right way"
     
    Steve H, Jul 26, 2005
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  20. chibitul

    Steve H Guest

    As a Mechanic, we get paid "by the job" Anyway to get answers to questions
    quickly to get the right conclusion helps.
    Water is a conductor. sprayed onto the wires it MAY cause a miss to start.
    if it does there is a problem with the wires. Now I can also hook up 1500
    dollars of test equipment to read the spark and resistance in the wires. But
    if I have a known bad wire to start with and I found it quickly, why waste
    time.
    The same with feeling the wires. A small jolt of electricity answers a
    question. Is the wire leaking?
    There are other things we figure out that sounds strange... but do they
    work? Yes. And that's what we get paid for.
     
    Steve H, Jul 26, 2005
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