Sparks plugs

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by jim, Feb 14, 2004.

  1. jim

    jim Guest

    on a dark night open the hood of the car and look for sparks coming from
    the wires... bad wires will have cracks in them and let the high voltage
    stray from the wires to gound.. if you see sparks then you need new
    wires.. on car thats 5 yrs. old you should get some new wires.. stay
    with quality wires from honda and you should have no problem.........
    and dont throw away the old wires.. i always keep some of the old wires
    when i change mine out, also keep the old everything like belts, etc.
    never know when the new one might break and you need a spare until
    monday morning or can get back home with the vehicle.....
     
    jim, Feb 14, 2004
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  2. jim

    null_pointer Guest

    I'm replacing the sparks plugs on my 98 accord today.
    I think that Japanese OEM wires can last a lot longer, if they were
    taken care of: removed gently by pushing the boots, not being allowed
    to rub on sharp or hot surfaces, and occasionally treated with some
    silicone.
    Another test is to spray a mist of water on the wires with one of
    those hand held sprayers while the engine is running. Any cracks in
    the wires will ersult in a miss.
    I'm not sure about this, but I think that 10k - 20k ohms would be an
    expected range for good resistive wires
     
    null_pointer, Feb 14, 2004
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  3. jim

    electricked Guest

    I'm replacing the sparks plugs on my 98 accord today. I was wondering if
    anyone knew whether Pep Boys has stock plugs. Also, I'd like to know how to
    check if my current spark plug wires are good. I'm thinking that checking
    the resistance should point me in the right direction, but I don't know the
    resistance range that identifies good wires from bad. If anyone can tell me
    what the resistance should be, or how and where I can find out for myself,
    it'd be much appreciated.

    Thank you!

    --Viktor
     
    electricked, Feb 14, 2004
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  4. jim

    electricked Guest

    Hi Jim,

    Thanks for your reply. Other than cracked wires, what other damage could be
    done to them? I'm planning on changing the wires as well but I was hoping it
    could wait a little bit. If the spark wires are worn out, I'm assuming the
    new spark plugs won't work to their full potential so I'll have to change
    them sooner or later. What spark plugs are good for a 98 accord ex 4cyl.
    I'll be getting them from PepBoys, or maybe someone can recommend another
    auto store besides Honda dealership.

    Thanks a lot!

    --Viktor
     
    electricked, Feb 14, 2004
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  5. jim

    Caroline Guest

    Recently I was hunting for the ohms readings to indicate bad spark plug wires. I
    found a couple of sites that said the resistance can get up to 35,000 ohms (=
    35k ohms) or even 50k ohms in a single wire. The sites said this is too much;
    replacement is due.

    I also found the following helpful:
    -----
    http://www.inct.net/~autotips/plugwire.htm
    Testing Plug Wires: If you have access to a factory service manual for your
    car, you may find a resistance rating for the spark plug wires, (such as
    1000 - 4000 ohms per foot). If you know how to use an ohm meter, you can
    measure the plug wires resistance from end to end and see if they are within
    specifications. Look at the connectors, check for corrosion. Insulation on
    plug wires can break down, and they may arc to ground or other wires.
    Crossed Wires: You may see guides on your car that have the plug wires
    crossed over each other, rather than in nice parallel lines. This is
    intentional to cancel out magnetic fields. Wires in parallel may cause one
    wire to induce a voltage in another wire, causing it to fire when it
    shouldn't . Plug wire problems can result in miss-firing, hard starting, and
    poor fuel economy. If you change plug wires, you may want to replace them
    one at a time to keep from mixing them up to the wrong spark plug.
    -----

    I replaced the plug wires on a friend's Ford recently and for fun checked the
    resistances of two of the wires. They were consistent with the above 1k-4k per
    foot readings. But I don't think a "good" resistance reading necessarily
    confirms the wires are perfectly fine. Like another poster said, check under the
    hood in the dark with the car running. Also, terminals may become corroded. (I
    saw this on the distributor power supply terminal of my friend's car.)

    I checked the Chilton manual for the car and could not find a resistance spec.
    for the plug wires.

    Make sure you coat the terminals with dielectric ointment to keep out water,
    dust, etc. and ensure optimal operation of the engine electrical system...

    My web searches also indicate that buying OEM wires is probably worth it and I
    don't think are much more expensive. Otherwise, buy the top of the line wires
    from Autozone et al.
     
    Caroline, Feb 14, 2004
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  6. jim

    Eric Guest

    Use the factory specified NGK spark plugs and you should be fine no matter
    where you buy them. By the way, the OE spark plug wires shouldn't need
    replacing until you hit 100,000 miles. Honda's wires are quite good and
    better than much of the after market stuff that's available at places like
    PepBoys. Note that NGK's wires are also quite good and come close to
    Honda's fit and quality.
     
    Eric, Feb 14, 2004
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  7. jim

    null_pointer Guest

    I'm replacing the sparks plugs on my 98 accord today. I was wondering if
    You need to be aware that some wires (I remember some NGKs were among
    them) don't use a resistive core. Instead they use a spiral wound
    metal core which provides inductive reactance to damp out the sharp
    spike of the spark. These will exhibit zero resistance when hooked up
    to an ohm-meter
     
    null_pointer, Feb 14, 2004
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  8. jim

    electricked Guest

    I'll hit 100K next week probably. I'm at around 99.7K right now. I got the
    NGK spark plugs from pepboys for about $8. I'll replace them now, and I'll
    get some new spark plug wires during next week. Btw, I found the resistance
    on the wires. I have it on a piece of paper in the car and I'll post it
    later in case someone needs it.

    Well, I'm off to changing spark plugs.

    --Viktor
     
    electricked, Feb 15, 2004
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  9. I wouldn't. Grease in my opinion would just turn into hard carbon like
    deposits and may make it more difficult to remove the plug later. All you
    need is a small jar of anti-seize compound. The stuff lasts forever. I
    have a can that is about 5 years old and there is about 90% still left.

    CaptainKrunch
     
    CaptainKrunch, Feb 15, 2004
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  10. jim

    electricked Guest

    Got a question. Can I use grease instead of anti-seize for the spark plugs?

    Thanks!

    --Viktor
     
    electricked, Feb 15, 2004
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  11. jim

    electricked Guest

    A little late :/ I installed the plugs and applied VERY LITTLE grease on the
    threads of the plugs. The torque is 156 in-lb for those interested (98
    Accord Ex as well as V6's). Hopefully the grease won't cause too much
    trouble since it doesn't even raise above the height of the separate
    threads. I don't think the old spark plugs had any anti-seize compound
    because it took a decent amount of force to unscrew them and they were "a
    little" rusty.

    --Viktor
     
    electricked, Feb 15, 2004
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