Strange no-start on a '94 Accord

Discussion in 'Accord' started by Bill Forintos, Jun 15, 2008.

  1. I drove home my '94 Accord LX Friday night without any indication of a
    problem, but this Saturday morning I could not get it started. All I got
    was some klicking noises coming from the hood when I had my ignition key
    in the start position. This thing never happened before, so I am totally
    clueless. I checked the battery and that seems to be OK. Of course being
    Saturday, no shop is open where I could get it towed till Monday. In the
    meantime I am stuck as public transportation is pretty scarce in my neck
    of the woods. I wonder if anybody has any tips what to check in the
    meantime that I could possibly do myself and that might turn out to fix
    the problem. One thing I'd like to check is the starter cut relay but I
    don't even know where to find it. The Honda service manual that I have
    for this car is not very specific about its location as it only vaguely
    indicates an under the dashboard place. Any takers?

    Thanks,
    Bill
     
    Bill Forintos, Jun 15, 2008
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  2. Bill Forintos

    Elle Guest

    Main relay is a strong candidate. For diagnosis help on it
    and other possible causes, see

    http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/faq.html#startrun
     
    Elle, Jun 15, 2008
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    Because the click comes from under the hood, it's probably a flat spot
    on the solenoid contacts OR your battery terminal(s) are loose and won't
    carry any current. For worn out solenoid contacts, you can usually try
    clicking it several times and it will go. Here's a good link to
    troubleshoot starter no-go's.

    http://www.hondasuv.com/members/showthread.php?t=20252&

    For the battery terminals just use a 10mm wrench and loosen them, wiggle
    them tighter (downward) and retighten the nuts. If that gets you going,
    later, take the time to slip the terminals off completely (black side
    first) and clean them up with a teaspoon of baking soda in the bottom of
    a glass with 3 ounces of warm water. Use an old toothbrush to clean
    around the inside of the cable terminals and then rinse with tap water.
    Don't get the soda on the battery. Just use a wire brush to get the
    battery posts clean. Smear some vaseline on the posts to keep the
    contact surfaces air-tight when you're finished.

    'Curly'
     
    'Curly Q. Links', Jun 15, 2008
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  4. I've found this link during my Google searches but I'm afraid the
    starter is more hidden from view and access in my car than in that '98
    CR-V, so a hatchet is out of question. ;-) So I might find some other
    tool to do that and an extra person to hold the key in start position
    while I am tapping. In the meantime I'm going to check the battery
    terminals as suggested, though judging from the intensity of the
    headlights, I don't hold high hoped for that being the culprit. I do
    think though that it could be something simple to fix, because of that
    clicking sound coming from under the hood while I have the key in start
    position. So the solenoid is trying to do its job, but the starter,
    possibly due to worn brushes, won't catch on. I have a feeling that a
    Honda dealer might just decide to replace both and charge me and arm & a
    leg for it, while my good old reliable mechanic would fix only what is
    really needed, though it might take him longer. Unless I get lucky with
    my dabbling with it, the time criticality and the dealer's closeness to
    my home (about 3 miles) might just decide the issue for me.

    Thanks for your input,

    Bill
     
    Bill Forintos, Jun 15, 2008
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    Bill, you'll be a 'Father's Day Hero' if you fix it yourself . . . . You
    can do it.

    'Curly'
     
    'Curly Q. Links', Jun 15, 2008
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  6. Thanks Curly, but I'm not even a father. That reminds me an old Benny
    Hill skit where Benny plays some low class slob just waking up with an
    ugly looking wife next to him and he greets her with this: "Good
    morning, mother of five!" The wife replies: "Good morning, father of
    none!". Happy Father's Day!

    Bill
     
    Bill Forintos, Jun 15, 2008
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  7. Bill Forintos

    bi241 Guest

    the starter's solenoid does two jobs, getting the pinion engaged and
    powering (via copper contacts) the starter motor. what you described
    is the classic symptom of a "clicker", caused by worn contacts, loose
    connections..etc

    in Honda, there seems to be a voltage threshold that get the starter
    motor moving, it will either turn vigorously or not at all, kind of
    "all or nothing" approach in design. you wont see slow cranking
    problems in Hondas (except for seized engines)

    i would suggest checking the battery voltage and cleaning battery
    posts, and tightening the starter's terminals. but if all fail and the
    contacts are indeed worn, just simply mount a remote solenoid instead
    of replacing the whole starter, this will save you a bunch of cash...

    good luck!!
     
    bi241, Jun 16, 2008
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  8. Hm, that's interesting and it sure makes sense, especially after a
    talked to my mechanic who upon hearing about the symptoms was almost
    swearing that it was due to weak battery and asked me if I tried jump
    starting it. When I told him I could not do it as there was nobody
    around I could ask to give me a hand with it, he promised to drop by
    himself shortly. So we'll see ... Stay tuned.

    Thanks for your input,
    Bill
     
    Bill Forintos, Jun 16, 2008
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  9. Well, as it turned out all you guys were right on the money with the bad
    battery tip.
    When my mechanic arrived and checked the voltage on the posts, it was
    way below 12 Volts even though when I measured it on Saturday, at the
    beginning of the problem, it was 12.5 Volts. The mechanic gave me a jump
    start and the engine came alive as before the trouble. Then I drove to
    his shop and had the battery replaced with a new one. Even though the
    deal costed me about twice what I would have gotten a new battery for
    and installed it myself, I am still happy that it was not a starter
    problem.

    Though the battery was fairly old and would have needed a replacement
    soon anyway, I wonder if the accelerated drain might have been caused by
    the faulty Clifford alarm control unit that started acting strange a few
    days before the battery went bad. Normally the red alarm indicator lamp
    that blinks when the unit is armed and activated is turned off instantly
    when I press the remote disarm button. In the last few days it was still
    blinking for about 30 secs after the disarm, even though the alarm was
    deactivated. This, of course, could have also been due to the low
    voltage, I thought, but to be on the safe side, I disconnected the alarm
    control unit on Saturday. Now that I got a new battery, I wanted to see
    if that faulty blinking would still be present after deactivating the
    alarm. Unfortunately it still is present, so I removed the control unit
    again as it might drain too much current from the battery. I'll see if I
    could get Clifford to replace the unit as it was supposed to have
    lifetime guarantee. This is already the second unit because the first
    one also burned some circuit. Unfortunately the original installer is
    out of business and I'm not sure I could still find the receipt. Shucks!

    Bill
     
    Bill Forintos, Jun 17, 2008
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  10. Bill Forintos

    Tegger Guest

    wrote in 34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:



    You will most certainly have slow cranking in a Honda if the battery is old
    and can't hold a full charge.
     
    Tegger, Jun 19, 2008
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