stuck caliper...

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Abeness, Nov 24, 2004.

  1. Abeness

    TeGGer® Guest



    And it'll last you a long time. Pretty much any high-temp, thick, metallic
    anti-seize is OK.




    If you sand the piston the rough surface will grind up the hydraulic seal
    in no time and you'll get leaks.



    Wrap some black tape around the pump's nozzle and hold it tight against the
    fluid port while a helper pumps like mad. Get a good seal and it'll pop
    out. Catch the piston with a balled-up cloth as it pops out. It will come
    loose with some force.

    For the old caliper, you can pump it out with the pedal before
    disconnecting the hydraulics. Pump it out till the dust boot is almost
    fully extended, the remove the caliper from the car and from the hydraulic
    line. With the caliper over a suitable container, use your pliers to remove
    the piston the rest of the way, and be prepared for the fluid that will
    come out.

    Brake fluid stains driveways, so keep that container under the connections
    as you work on them.
     
    TeGGer®, Dec 2, 2004
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  2. Abeness

    TeGGer® Guest


    Thanks. Ya learn something new every day.
     
    TeGGer®, Dec 2, 2004
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  3. Abeness

    TeGGer® Guest


    You can get smaller line locks that look like tiny C-clamps.
     
    TeGGer®, Dec 2, 2004
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  4. Abeness

    Abeness Guest

    Well, since I can screw the piston in and out with my Lisle disk brake
    piston tool, it seems that screw is fine. Since the piston moves out and
    back with the pedal, the piston bore seems fine. That makes me think
    that it's the cam that's the problem.

    I haven't actually disconnected the p-brake cable, but it's pretty
    obvious that the arm is loose from what I've seen.

    It doesn't look too difficult to disassemble the p-brake arm assembly
    from the top, so I'll at least take a look.
    Perhaps the driver's side was cheaper because it wears out more
    frequently and therefore is produced in greater quantities.
     
    Abeness, Dec 2, 2004
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  5. Abeness

    Abeness Guest

    Good to know, thanks.
    Single car. Not that I need it every day, but there are enough trips and
    enough unexpected trips that I don't want it out of commission for a
    solid week or more. I'll try to get the arm assembly disassembled and
    see if I can see more of what's wrong, and decide then.
     
    Abeness, Dec 2, 2004
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  6. Abeness

    Abeness Guest

    The boot was already a tad loose from the rust, but I didn't see any
    leaks, so I assumed that the seal was primarily provided by the tight
    fit between the piston and the bore. I'll keep an eye out for leaks not
    that I've removed a bit of the rust from the groove and boot with a
    screwdriver. Incidentally, I did in fact use a screwdriver to remove
    most of the rust chunks from those slide shim surfaces, along with a few
    hammer taps to break it free. Then sanded. Loosened things up quite a bit.
     
    Abeness, Dec 2, 2004
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  7. Abeness

    Abeness Guest

    P.S. Thanks for the detailed info on extracting the pistons.
     
    Abeness, Dec 2, 2004
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  8. Abeness

    Abeness Guest

    God help me... wouldn't I need a special engine-type lift to hold up the
    tranny? And how long of a projct would THAT be? ;-)
    Master is leaking at the boot on the inside, and the dealer said the
    slave was leaking, too. Honestly, I didn't check up on the supposed
    slave leak, but the slave body is fairly rusty and after 10 years I
    figured it might be prudent to do it too while I'm at it. I've had too
    much experience with rusted bleeder screws and threads that prevent
    system bleeding to want to let it get to that point on this car. That,
    ultimately, was the straw the broke the camel's back on my trusty old
    Pontiac.
     
    Abeness, Dec 2, 2004
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    Abeness Guest

    Yeah, well... I'm learning. I already explained why! ;-))
     
    Abeness, Dec 2, 2004
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    Randolph Guest

    I have been fighting a similar problem on a VW. The parking brake self
    adjuster does not work. The fact that you can screw the piston in and
    out does not necessarily mean much. The piston is not simply threaded
    onto the screw, the part with the inside threads (inside the piston) has
    a ratcheting mechanism. If this ratcheting mechanism would be stuck or
    broken, you could still screw the piston in and out, but the self
    adjuster would not work.

    The Honda mechanism may be different. I have not yet resolved the VW
    issue, so I can not claim to be an expert in the field :)
     
    Randolph, Dec 2, 2004
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  11. Abeness

    SoCalMike Guest

    has the OP taken the console out and looked at the action of the parking
    brake? my yoke was only pulling one cable, and the other cable just
    kinda sat there.
     
    SoCalMike, Dec 3, 2004
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  12. Abeness

    Abeness Guest

    <g> I just found out that the whole caliper assembly is $110, with a $60
    core charge. I ordered one, as that is definitely cort/time effective
    for me right now. I may yet disassemble the p-brake arm when I take the
    busted one out, but at least I've got a better chance at getting it
    resolved speedily.
     
    Abeness, Dec 3, 2004
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  13. Abeness

    Abeness Guest

    Yup. The left cable holds, the right just zips forward with the eq-bar
    tilt. The cable is definitely still attached to the p-brake arm at the
    caliper, so it ain't the cable.
     
    Abeness, Dec 3, 2004
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  14. Abeness

    SoCalMike Guest


    when my civic CX (drum brakes) did that, i just adjusted the star wheel
    on the side that was slack, until it wasnt slack no mo. adjust...
    adjust... slip the drum on, try the p-brake again. lather, rinse, repeat.

    can the rear disc brakes be adjusted by hand like that? or no? for all i
    know, the adjuster on the passenger side rear of my car still doesnt
    work, but i did clean it up w/brake cleaner, and adjusted by hand.
    hopefully itll work now.
     
    SoCalMike, Dec 3, 2004
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  15. Abeness

    Abeness Guest

    Nope. All automatic--or should be. Hopefully the reman will be right.
     
    Abeness, Dec 3, 2004
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  16. Abeness

    TeGGer® Guest

    You don't need to take the console out. On the Integra access is gained by
    removing a small rectangular cover just behind the rear ashtray.


    No. No star wheel. All slack take-up is done automatically with the
    internal screw. The only possible manual adjustment is the equalizer in the
    passenger compartment.
     
    TeGGer®, Dec 4, 2004
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  17. Abeness

    TeGGer® Guest


    Possible, however, read on...


    Then do it! If you haven't disconnected it on BOTH sides, you may be
    misinterpreting what you are seeing. This is IMPORTANT! I was under the
    impression you had disconnected it.

    If you have misdiagnosed the problem through a failure to disconnect the
    cables, you may be spending $100 for NOTHING.

    There is the possibility that the cable is rusted internally. Is the rubber
    bellows still intact or is it split? With the cables disconnected, you will
    be able to pull the clevis end in and out with your fingers, and seizure
    will be very obvious.

    The pin that holds the clevis to the arm is often well stuck. Remove the
    spring clip from underneath, give the pin some 3-in-1 or PB Blaster, let it
    soak, then carefully grip the top with a new pair of pliers and wiggle the
    pin out.

    From now on, slather the clevis assembly with anti-seize every time you're
    in there.
     
    TeGGer®, Dec 4, 2004
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  18. Abeness

    TeGGer® Guest



    The dust boot is not the same as the hydraulic seal. I hope you're not
    confusing the two. The hydraulic seal is NEVER "loose from rust".

    The hydraulic seal is a square-section donut. It looks like it's been
    sliced off from a big, thick bicycle-tire inner tube, like a hollow
    bologna. It's internal and the only time you ever see it is once you've
    ejected the piston from its bore.

    The dust boot is a much larger, corrugated affair.
     
    TeGGer®, Dec 4, 2004
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  19. Abeness

    jim beam Guest

    i've done the adjustment by hand a number of times. once it's set, i've
    found the brake to self-adjust reliably, provided the adjuster thread is
    not gummed up with some high viscosity anti-sieze. ;)
     
    jim beam, Dec 4, 2004
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  20. Abeness

    TeGGer® Guest

    jim beam <> floridly penned in


    Discs do not adjust like drums. Not the same at all.
     
    TeGGer®, Dec 4, 2004
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