Synthetic Oil question

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by alfred, Dec 11, 2007.

  1. alfred

    Bob Jones Guest

    I continue to use synthetic for its superior thermal and chemical
    On my Acura, owner's manual recommend the same oil change interval
    regardless of synthetic oil or not.
     
    Bob Jones, Dec 14, 2007
    #21
  2. alfred

    Bob Jones Guest

    oh by the way, Castrol Syntec 5W-20 works best for mine
    How do you know? Why is your car any different from others?
     
    Bob Jones, Dec 14, 2007
    #22
  3. alfred

    ACAR Guest

    If following the owner's manual to the letter makes you happy, then do
    so.

    May I remind you that until recently Honda did not recommend periodic
    brake fluid replacement and many owners who followed the manual to the
    letter found themselves with seized calipers.

    Actually, there's quite a list of PM items omitted from owner's
    manuals in the interest of showing low maintenance costs for those
    silly on-line total cost of ownership comparisons. Not all the "extra"
    items dealers do are frivolous.
     
    ACAR, Dec 14, 2007
    #23
  4. alfred

    Polfus Guest

    Holy crap! Thats amazing!

    Peace,
    Polfus
     
    Polfus, Dec 14, 2007
    #24

  5. I would imagine, (Since I don't own a vehicle with it), that today's ABS
    systems require brake fluid that is in good condition and considering
    that conventional fluids are hydroscopic in nature, that would require
    frequent changes. OTOH, my old cars probably can have fluid changes
    deferred to four or five years. And again, I'll compare ABS to aircraft
    braking systems that are continuously maintained whereas automobiles are
    not.

    And, part of the omission of maintenance items on original vehicle
    documentation may well be intentional to generate more profit for
    dealers after the sale.

    Just label me as a skeptical cynic...

    <G>

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Dec 14, 2007
    #25
  6. alfred

    bi241 Guest

    I think Honda Accord are designed to have a perfect balance of work
    load between the engine and transmission. Hence the slow acceleration.
    If Honda isnt the one that can make the most out of a 1955cc engine
    that will run forever, then i don't know who is

    Your guess is right, but Honda Z1 does nothing to improve
    accelleration. Z1 works in a way to reduce the noticable shift shocks
    in Honda transmissions at the expense of extended slippage between
    gears, and as a result slower acceleration and higher transmission
    temperature.

    Early Honda automatic transmission had a unique design while adhering
    to the then popular GM Dexron II ATF specs. That's a sound
    combination, nothing wrong with that!! Automatic Hondas, unlike their
    counterparts, would make you feel as if there were a genie that
    manually shifts the gears for you. But drivers with no experience in
    driving a manual transmission find it extremely odd.

    So Honda introduced Z1 to soothe their hearts and ensure future sales
    to those who wants to give up sound engineering for a little driving
    convenience.

    When i bough my car, the trans had Z1 on it. At my first oil change, i
    switched to B&M Trick Shift, which is strictly Dexron II formulated
    for older GM transmissions. Drained and refilled, 3 times. I've since
    got better accelleration and the feel of power shifting. Plus the temp
    gauge needle never went pass the half mark again. I like that a lot.
     
    bi241, Dec 14, 2007
    #26
  7. Define "recently".

    I know my 02 Odyssey specifies brake fluid replacement every 3 years,
    and so did my 92 Civic.

    Not sure what you're smoking there, pal.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Dec 15, 2007
    #27
  8. alfred

    jim beam Guest

    89 civic is 2 yrs or 30k miles, which ever comes first.
     
    jim beam, Dec 15, 2007
    #28
  9. alfred

    jim beam Guest

    dude, it's not NOTHING to do with acceleration. period.

    no, you've got a rough-shifting transmission that will prematurely
    fatigue engine mounts, drive shafts, transmission shafts, wear
    transmission clutches, etc. the transmission fluid has absolutely zero
    connection with the power generated by the motor [or the shift ratio],
    and thus zero ability to create "better accelleration".

    that is not a function of the transmission fluid.

    bottom line, you're welcome to wreck your own vehicle by not using
    correct fluids, but please don't bullshit about transmission fluid
    somehow causing better acceleration - it's flat-out incorrect.
     
    jim beam, Dec 15, 2007
    #29
  10. alfred

    jim beam Guest

    how old are you?
     
    jim beam, Dec 15, 2007
    #30
  11. alfred

    Polfus Guest

    Old enough to tell you to kiss my ass.

    Polfus
     
    Polfus, Dec 15, 2007
    #31
  12. alfred

    Tony Harding Guest

    Minor nit, it's hygroscopic, i.e., pulling moisture from the air, not
    hydroscopic.
     
    Tony Harding, Dec 15, 2007
    #32
  13. alfred

    bi241 Guest

    the most retarded response i've ever seen
    good Lord, now you know! so next time don't come here peddling about
    Z1 when acceleration being the subject, and most importantly don't
    repeat that after me, wiseass!
    "what???" isn't an answer, bitch!
    now repeat after me, Z1 causes transmissions to slip.
     
    bi241, Dec 15, 2007
    #33
  14. alfred

    TomP Guest


    For the record Honda motor does not specify synthetic oil for the '08 Accord
    engine.
    See pg. 317 of your owner's manual. Which says you can use it, providing it
    meets the current API specifications and is changed at intervals shown on the
    information display
    So for normal driving there is no advantage using synthetic oil in your
    Honda engine.

    There are thousands of Honda vehicles with well over 100k miles, that have
    never used synthetic lubricants of any kind in the engine.
    Also know that using synthetic oil does not void your warranty.

    Save the difference in price between Petroleum oil and synthetic oil and buy
    some good wax/polish for the exterior painted surfaces. Or, better (in my book)
    pay a professional to maintain the outside of the car.


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    TomP, Dec 15, 2007
    #34
  15. alfred

    jim beam Guest

    no it doesn't - you don't understand what's going on.

    simplistically, slip is where you put your foot down and the motor spins
    with no increase in vehicle speed. smooth engagement means the pressure
    regulator of a honda transmission is calibrated for honda z1 fluid -
    it's got nothing to do with slipping or power. if you use the wrong
    fluid, the calibration is incorrect, hence the lurch which you are
    experiencing. if you keep driving with your transmission wrongly filled
    like you are at present, that lurch will wreck your motor mounts and
    transmission.
     
    jim beam, Dec 15, 2007
    #35
  16. alfred

    Seth Guest


    Why are you so amazed that a well engineered vehicle does what it is
    supposed to do?
     
    Seth, Dec 15, 2007
    #36
  17. alfred

    jim beam Guest

    easy: just be an inexperienced kid from ford country.
     
    jim beam, Dec 15, 2007
    #37
  18. You could use Plutonian ice water if it met the API specifications for
    lubrication and was changed at the intervals required.

    Nothing magic about that. The API specs tell all.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Dec 15, 2007
    #38

  19. Izzat when Pluto has been left out all night and he's squirting ice cubes?

    <brrrr>

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Dec 16, 2007
    #39
  20. alfred

    Polfus Guest

    That's a very important nit, IMHO.

    Peace,
    Polfus
     
    Polfus, Dec 16, 2007
    #40
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