Tegger: Craftsman Torque Wrench writeup

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by johngdole, Nov 23, 2008.

  1. johngdole

    johngdole Guest

    Nice writeup on opening your old torque wrench.

    Is it right that the upper nut in the handle was held in place by the
    plastic molding of the handle? So there is less chance of it rotating
    out of place than the lower nut?

    Also, didn't exactly see where the detent feels come from. I guess
    from the plastic lock ring area?

    The Lowe's Kobalt torque wrenches are also made by Danaher, but do
    carry a lifetime warranty.
     
    johngdole, Nov 23, 2008
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  2. johngdole

    Tegger Guest

    wrote in :


    The upper and lower nuts together clamp together the handle and the
    threaded shaft. This is how the wrench maintains its calibration. The
    handle and the shaft MUST NOT ever come out of phase.

    The upper nut does indeed sit in a matching hexagonal recess in the handle.
    Unless the handle should pull down sufficiently to allow the hex recess to
    come fully away from the upper nut, the nut and handle will stay in phase.
    However...if the lower nut comes loose, the upper nut will be loose as
    well, and will rotate relative to the threaded shaft (coming out of phase),
    throwing calibration off, which is exactly what happened to me.




    If you look closely at the bottom of the wrench's body, you will see a
    series of long, shallow slots milled into the body. These are oriented
    axially, and spaced radially, around the body. (If they were cut all the
    way through, they would make the bottom of the body resemble a military
    rifle's flash suppressor.) There is a small nib, or protrusion, on the
    inside top of the plastic handle that indexes into the slots. When you turn
    the handle, its top flexes sufficient to allow the protrusion to ride out
    of one slot and fall into the next, giving the handle that "click" feeling
    as you wind the setting up or down.

    There are ten slots, of course, one for each pound as you rotate from 1
    through 0 up each ten pounds of scale marking.

    I'm not sure how the locking ring functions; it never occurred to me to
    examine that assembly.



    That's interesting. Sears' "lifetime" warranty essentially only covers
    tools without moving parts, so the torque wrench is not covered.
     
    Tegger, Nov 23, 2008
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  3. johngdole

    Tegger Guest

    I've updated the relevant page on the site to clarify handle "click"
    operation. You may have to hit Refresh/Reload in your browser to see the
    changes.
     
    Tegger, Nov 23, 2008
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  4. johngdole

    johngdole Guest

    Thanks for the detailed explanation. I see the slots now. Looks like
    I'll be putting some threadlockers in mine to help keep the lower nut
    in place, as it's not worth it for me to send it in for calibration.
    $25 plus shipping both ways will cost the same as a new wrench with
    the annual sale, and I don't need a laboratory-grade certification.

    I wonder if the detents have something to do with the high rate of
    complaints about the plastic lock ring breaking (the Kobalt uses a
    metal ring without detents). I suppose if the lock ring isn't loosed
    up fully before adjusting, the force of turning will be transferred to
    the plastic ring. At least that's what I supposed will hold the
    setting when "locked".

    I was at Lowe's earlier, their Danaher-made torque wrenches say no
    hassle lifetime in big letters under the brand name "Kobalt", but the
    same 90day/1year in fine print as Sears. Oh well, until I get a $400
    Snap On I guess. Thanks again!

    Among the excellent articles, torque wrench calibration on motor.com:
    http://www.motor.com/article_pdf_download.asp?article_ID=516
     
    johngdole, Nov 25, 2008
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  5. johngdole

    johngdole Guest

    The only other breakdown diagram of a torque wrench I find is the
    Harbor Freight 1/2" clicker. Hand drawn and not properly named parts.
    The operations aren't as smooth as the Danaher, but the last time I
    checked it was very close. Really not bad for a $14 on sale torque
    wrench. Guess it's time to borrow a beam type.

    http://www.harborfreight.com/manuals/0-999/239.pdf
     
    johngdole, Nov 25, 2008
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  6. johngdole

    tww1491 Guest

    Interesting info on torque wrenches. I have an old Sear beam type --seldom
    used any longer -- and have often wondered how accurate it is. Unless
    abused or damaged in some way, I should imagine a beam type would hold its
    accuracy over a long period of time or perhaps the life of the instrument?
     
    tww1491, Nov 27, 2008
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  7. johngdole

    jim beam Guest

    bending beam offer the best accuracy/price ratio. their main drawback is
    not being able to see the dial in all orientations, but other than that,
    they're great. they can have advantages on things like cylinder heads too
    because you can torque and hold - essential when dealing with a blind bolt
    hole where lube is slowly squeezing out and would otherwise give a false
    torque reading.

    tilt-block type torque wrenches are notoriously difficult to keep in
    calibration. split beam wrenches are accurate and robust and don't have
    any of the tilt-block drawbacks because nothing is loaded when not being
    used - they tend to be much more expensive though.
     
    jim beam, Nov 29, 2008
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  8. johngdole

    Tegger Guest



    A tilt-block wrench also has no loaded parts when not in use, provided you
    dial it back down after use.
     
    Tegger, Dec 2, 2008
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  9. johngdole

    Tegger Guest

    wrote in


    Thanks for the link. I've added it to the page.
     
    Tegger, Dec 2, 2008
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  10. johngdole

    Tegger Guest

    wrote in @q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com:


    That diagram is pathetic. My 11 year-old daughter could make a better one.
     
    Tegger, Dec 2, 2008
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  11. johngdole

    jim beam Guest

    not as simple as that. one of the reasons there is a problem with
    calibration issue with tilt-blocks is because virtually all manufacturers
    use polymers in construction.

    http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/torque_wrench/exploded_view.jpg

    the polymers in the actual tilt block unit are subject to "relaxation".
    if you set the spring and measure torque at 10 seconds, 30 seconds, 60
    seconds, 2 minutes, 5 minutes and 10 minutes, [etc] you'd get a
    progressively lower torque trigger reading every time.

    a load path that only loads momentarily and when in use, like you have
    with split beam, doesn't have that problem.
     
    jim beam, Dec 2, 2008
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  12. johngdole

    jim beam Guest

    looks like a [not so] thinly disguised advertising article to me.
     
    jim beam, Dec 2, 2008
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  13. johngdole

    Tegger Guest



    Hm. I wonder by what amount?
     
    Tegger, Dec 2, 2008
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  14. johngdole

    Tegger Guest



    I just had a close look at the picture you referenced, plus my original
    photos.

    I'm pretty certain the item I call the "anti-windup assembly" only had a
    skin of polymer around the outside as a cage, serving only to hold the ball
    bearings in place. The assembly itself was steel all the way through to the
    bottom where the spring bore against it.

    This wrench has no polymer load-bearing parts.
     
    Tegger, Dec 2, 2008
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  15. johngdole

    jim beam Guest


    if that's the case, it's ok to leave it "loaded" when not being used. if
    there's any polymer, you have to unload it.
     
    jim beam, Dec 2, 2008
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  16. johngdole

    johngdole Guest

    Here is another picture of the tilt (or pivot) block in a cut-away
    view:

    http://www.motor.com/article_pdf_download.asp?article_ID=599

    The torque wrench should be kept in the lower 25% of the range when
    not in use (according to Danaher), but the Motor.com article suggests
    no less than the minimum on the torque wrench in case the tilt block
    dislodges!

    I'm sure with all trade publications (or TV/movies these days) there
    will be plenty of unashamed advertisements. Just read past them I
    guess. However, Tegger could have recalibrated his old torque wrench
    for $25 + shipping with Angle Repair, if he missed last Friday's 50%
    off Craftsman torque wrenches! ;) ;) ;)
     
    johngdole, Dec 3, 2008
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  17. johngdole

    johngdole Guest

    Is it correct that both ends of the "anti-windup" mechanism actually
    rotate with respect to each other? Because it looks like the ball
    bearings help reduce friction so all tension from the spring transfer
    to the tilt block/ratchet head.

    If so that would be the "interface" mentioned in US Patent 5,503,042.
    "freely rotatable cylindrical roller" it says. Not too flashy.

    Or, similarly, as the following web site calls it "interface mechanism
    (toggle, cam or low-friction roller)"
    http://www.buyerzone.com/construction/rbic-torque-wrench.html
     
    johngdole, Dec 3, 2008
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  18. johngdole

    johngdole Guest

    Another one:

    US patent 7451674, http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/7451674.html

    calls it "spring and pawl". So the "bar" of the ratchet head rests on
    the "pawl". Which I guess is the tilt block + roller interface. Then
    comes the spring. (Ratchet bar -> Pawl -> Spring.)

    Now Harbor Freight ads say: heavy duty cam and pawl mechanism. I guess
    the ratchet bar is considered the cam then that rests on the pawl
    mentioned in patent 7,451,674??


    Excerpt from US Patent 7,451,674:
    "The most popular type of this wrench is called a micrometer torque
    wrench and has a hollow arm which includes a spring and pawl mechanism
    for setting the torque. Within the hollow arm, the pawl is forced
    against one end of a bar that is connected to a drive head, the bar
    and a drive head are pinned to the hollow arm and rotate as torque is
    applied. The pawl is released when the force applied by the bar
    increases beyond a set value established by the operator. When
    released, the bar hits the inside of the arm, producing a sound and a
    distinct feel by a user. The torque value or release point is changed
    by rotating the handle, which moves on threads for setting.
    Additionally, values are permanently stamped or imprinted on a scale
    that is located on an outer surface of the hollow arm. Micrometer
    wrenches can overtorque when the operator continues to apply pressure
    after release, due to the momentum created by the releasing mechanism.
    This overtorque may occur without the user even realizing it. "
     
    johngdole, Dec 3, 2008
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  19. johngdole

    johngdole Guest

    I didn't think of it earlier, nor did I expect Sears Parts Direct to
    sell every single part in their Danaher-made torque wrench. Here it is
    Tegger, the description of every part in that torque wrench:

    Turns out the "pawl" is the tilt block, the "anti-windup" assembly
    Tegger mentioned is the cam assembly.

    The Sears version of the Danaher torque wrench seems to have a weak
    handle lock ring that breaks often. The SK and Lowe's version use a
    metal lock ring. If the plastic ring breaks and people still want a
    Craftsman, it's cheaper to buy a new wrench during 50% year-end-sale
    than to buy a new handle and send it in for calibration ($25 + round
    trip shipping). Who knows, people may even be able to substitute a SK
    or Lowe's handle.


    Sears Danaher-made torque wrench parts drawing:
    http://c.searspartsdirect.com/lis_png/PLDM/P0111046-00001.png


    The torque wrench has:
    ----------------------------------
    Ratchet assembly
    Dust Seal
    Arm pin/retaining ring

    Barrel
    Pawl (tilt block)
    Cam assembly (cam, cam spring, cage, balls)
    R. nut pin (??)
    Torque spring
    Spring cup
    Positive engagement spring
    Thrust washer

    Adjusting screw assembly (ball, adj screw, round nut, handle nut)
    Grip assembly
    Handle nut
    End cap
     
    johngdole, Dec 3, 2008
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  20. johngdole

    z Guest

    yep, one more victim of the busted plastic sears lock ring here.
    otherwise, seems to be a decent wrench. i busted the ratchet out of a
    cheaper wrench previously,

    still works OK despite the busted lock ring, you just have to be
    careful not to twist the handle. any day now i've been planinng to
    wrap the lock ring with a screw type hose clamp, that oughta hold it.
     
    z, Dec 4, 2008
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