Timing Belt Change (10500 miles vs 7 years)

I seriously dont get it! If someone doesnt have enough money to throw out a
few hundred bucks why would you call him a bastard or a miser...
The guy asked a serious question and wanted to know about other ppl's
opinion about the belt if you are so bent upon calling him a bastard why
dont you foot his bill for the belt change

W

 

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I have two friends who had the timing belt suddenly fail at 130 and 140
Kkms pm the Chrysler 2.5L engine of the 80s.
Fortunately this engine was non interference so only the belt had to be
replaced.
Another friend with an earlier Civic was not so lucky when his timing
belt broke. His interference engine was destroyed.

 

/not/ the same "engineer" that is happy selling inefficient unreliable
garbage that they can't be bothered to make work properly and is made in
detroit.

"interference" is the result of aggressive valve timing and high
compression - which both lead to high output and high fuel efficiency.
if you want to have a low compression low revving motor that is not fuel
efficient, you too can have a non-interference engine.

 

If he can't afford the maintenance, he should take the bus. A car is a
luxury.

And if he decides to be a cheapskate and skip the maintenance, he shouldn't
bother to come crying here when his timing belt snaps and his engine is
turned into a big fucking paperweight.

Since you are condoning his miserly ways, perhaps you'll be willing to foot
the bill for a new motor for him...

 

He's at best penny-wise and pound-foolish. He wants not to spend a few
hundred dollars today so that he may end up spending a few thousand
dollars down the road.

As the Car Talk guys say, it's the cheapest man who spends the most.

 

Whether i spend money or not ... whether i take a bus or not is my
decision, If people always followed the manual or went to the dealer
for everything, they would not have to come to this forum and listen
to some of the asses on this site. It my car to destroy, may it be a
few hundred now or a few thousand later. I came here to see if
somebody had any contrary experiences. To those who gave me an honest
opinion (most of who advised me to go get the work done now), i
appreciate the advice and will follow it. To those who don't have a
life and have about a dozen replies to a question from a guy they
consider not worth answering, get a life. As for the marital advice
from groups here, may be Elmo's wife can say how thats working out.

Have had enough of these useless forums.

 

Y tú mamá también.

Saludos,

Earle

 

That's fine. We've had enough of cheap bastards.

 

Wait a minnit thar' Elmo... I'm a cheap bas... er, frugal, grumpy and..

Why else would I be driving low priced '82 & '83 Civics!?

<G>

JT

 

Wait a minnit thar' Elmo... I'm a cheap bas... er, frugal, grumpy and..

Why else would I be driving low priced '82 & '83 Civics!?[/QUOTE]

Yer not a cheap bastard. A cheap bastard knows the price of everything
and the value of nothing.

You, sir, plainly understand value.

 

Most Toyota designs are not interference. They are all much lower
compression ratios than most hondas, but they have good fuel economy as well..

 

And, Why didn't the guy who asked about checking his airbag get the
same treatment? What, you too cheap to get yo' bag fixed?

Al G

 

And, Why didn't the guy who asked about checking his airbag get the
same treatment? What, you too cheap to get yo' bag fixed?[/QUOTE]

In both cases, the advice was to go by what Honda's engineers had to say.

But in RVS's case, he read very plainly what the Honda engineers
said--and then came here to get permission to ignore it.

**** him, that cheapass bastard.

 

In both cases, the advice was to go by what Honda's engineers had to say.

But in RVS's case, he read very plainly what the Honda engineers
said--and then came here to get permission to ignore it.

**** him, that cheapass bastard.[/QUOTE]

I have to defend RVS on this. I am somewhat of a CB myself. If the
CBs of the world didn't exist, how would you know that it isn't safe
to go past the manufacturers reco? So, if you haven't run RVS off
entirely, I will give him a little data.

The recommended change interval for my '98 Odyssey is 84 months/105K
miles. I replaced the belt at 98/79K. I felt comfortable extending
the time interval for several reasons: the mileage was very low, it
was driven gently most of the time, and (most important) replacing the
engine would not have been a financial hardship for me. I didn't lose
any sleep over this and in the end, I won the bet. YMMV.

 

It's more temperature extremes than anything else that limits belt life
with regard to time. Honda is very specific on this point.

Honda builds in a considerable safety factor into their belt replacement
interval specs. This done, as I understand it, primarily due to the fact
that the engines are interference designs, and risk catastrophic damage
should the belt fail.

The upshot is that Honda belts often (but not always!) go a considerable
way past their official replacement point, and do not fail. The danger is
the cost of damage repair.

As you say, in your case it was a "bet". In a casino, who holds the
advantage, the house, or you? Not everybody would be comfortable betting
zero with the risk of losing $2000, when $400 would remove the risk
entirely.

 

sure, toyotas make great motors. but the ones with the same specific
output as the hondas are high compression interference are they not?

 

Nominally, that's true. But there are quite a few Toyota engines that
become "interference" once a bit of carbon has built up. There's not a lot
of clearance in those "non-interference" engines.

No, same ratios. Sometimes even higher. For example, the Prius's engine is
13:1, believe it or not.

 

Yer not a cheap bastard. A cheap bastard knows the price of everything
and the value of nothing.

You, sir, plainly understand value.
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Honestly... I don't think I could bring myself to buy a "new" car even
if I hit the zillion dollar lotto and there's fat chance of that since I
never play.

My goal in life nowadays is to cheat the corporations of their profit,
to deny the politicians their booty and to just generally aggravate the
great mass of sheeple that inhabit our lonely planet.

And, thank you for not takin' prisoners!

JT