Timing belt - mileage vs time

Damn right.

I get 18-22 on OEM pads in NYC.

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-31-then-and-now-usat_x.htm

"Other top officials, including Cheney and Rumsfeld, said the war would
last
"weeks, not months.""


http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives2/2005b/052705/052705w.php

"More than two years into a war that was supposed to be quick and easy,
and
the justification for which has spun from removing a dictator to
eliminating
weapons of mass destruction to fighting terrorism and, finally, to
planting
democracy that would then spread across the Middle East, Iraq is in chaos."


RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's ass.
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms

http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm

"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim

 

Outrageous. The bustards.

Thank god for the internet to convey info like this to the mere mortals (or
just the young among us) who are so easily duped. Happens to everyone.

 

yeah. my 98 CX hatch has 49k, and the only thing thats ever gone wrong
was an O2 sensor, which i replaced myself. part of me wants a new car,
but i really really like the one i have.

 

I hope you reported them to Honda.

 

Well Peabody, I'd say if Mr.Earl will pay for the collateral damage, to
the engine, if the timing belt does break before 90k. Then I'd say
let-R-run and see who's right.
Thermal (heat) cycles and proper tension also factor in on the equation
of "when to replace the t/belt."

For the record, I replaced the T/Belt on my '90 Integra 3 years ago; it
only had 68k miles. The belt didn't look particularly distressed; but
at 12 years old the car is hardly worth what it would take to
rehabilitate the engine/head if the T/Belt did break...

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Well Peabody, I'd say if Mr.Earl will pay for the collateral damage, to
the engine, if the timing belt does break before 90k. Then I'd say
let-R-run and see who's right.
Thermal (heat) cycles and proper tension also factor in on the equation
of "when to replace the t/belt."

For the record, I replaced the T/Belt on my '90 Integra 3 years ago; it
only had 68k miles. The belt didn't look particularly distressed; but
at 12 years old the car is hardly worth what it would take to
rehabilitate the engine/head if the T/Belt did break...

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"Each dealership is independently owned and operated and the
repair fell into accepted standards."

Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge
you four hours labor for a two hour job.

They HAVE to. The Honda book says so.

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-31-then-and-now-usat_x.htm

"Other top officials, including Cheney and Rumsfeld, said the war would
last
"weeks, not months.""


http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives2/2005b/052705/052705w.php

"More than two years into a war that was supposed to be quick and easy,
and
the justification for which has spun from removing a dictator to
eliminating
weapons of mass destruction to fighting terrorism and, finally, to
planting
democracy that would then spread across the Middle East, Iraq is in chaos."


RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's ass.
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms

http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm

"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim

 

True, but a Honda dealership is a license to print money and Honda
probably cares about how the public regards it. Dealers cannot afford to
jeopardize their relationship with Honda.

Which standards are those? If the pads weren't worn to their service
life, this was fraud, along with false claim about being required to
keep the "warranty intact".

If it were me, I'd report them to Honda (plus the BBB & the state agency
which deals with this sort of thing) and see what Honda had to say,
after telling the dealer to get stuffed. Be sure to note which service
adviser told you this.

 

If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six
hour charge?
If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the proper
tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less?
Because he's better?

Same result, same charge.

 

Sure with one of the publishers I work for felt this way... will NEVER
happen!

 

Nice attempt at a strawman.

Not true.

The Scumbag says he "has" to charge $675 for a belt/pump job.

Most mechanics around me will do the job for $400-475.

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-31-then-and-now-usat_x.htm

"Other top officials, including Cheney and Rumsfeld, said the war would
last
"weeks, not months.""


http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives2/2005b/052705/052705w.php

"More than two years into a war that was supposed to be quick and easy,
and
the justification for which has spun from removing a dictator to
eliminating
weapons of mass destruction to fighting terrorism and, finally, to
planting
democracy that would then spread across the Middle East, Iraq is in chaos."


RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's ass.
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms

http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm

"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim

 

Thanks! Enjoyed your rebuttal as well!

Ok, so what's the difference between the two jobs above?

So what's the problem? Didn't shop around?

 

Nice attempt at a strawman.[/QUOTE]

no, it's the truth.

 

book rate is book rate. obviously it can be fudged by a "nice"
independant. thats why good, quick ASE certified mechanics can make good
money- by doing more work.

FWIW, when i got the engine on my rabbit convertible replaced years ago,
i had to upsell the independant mechanic by ASKING him to do the CV joints.

 

Three words, Steve: flat rate manual

It won't take the new mechanic 6 hours to do a job the FRM rates at 4 hours.

 

*sigh*

Never mind.

 

How do I inspect the TB? It appears to be under a cover that's between
the water pump and the engine?

Some info FWIW:
90 Civic (bought new 2/90); 116k miles, original timing belt and water
pump.
(previous Usenet research indicated engine damage from a break
was relatively rare? Anybody got real data on this?)
~8k miles/year, 1500 highway, rest 4 miles/day to work.

Recent problems:

Transmission made a grinding noise while in neutral/park, did it 3
times then stopped - loose/broken parking pawl?

Minor oil leak - a few drips a day.

Mild "rubbing" noise from left front wheel; goes away when brakes
applied. CV joints replaced with rebuilts a few years ago.

Same "hot engine after stopping" as reported in another thread - did it
once after a few hours of highway driving, hasn't done it since.

Latest problem:
Wouldn't start Sunday noon - turned over, but no ignition.
Left it, had a friend check it Monday morning, said it fired right up.
Went back after work with him, and it wouldn't start again :^(
Popped air hose in front of injector in case air filter was clogged
(bolts are rusted thus can't check it); didn't seem to help.
Let it sit for 5-10 minutes, gave it one last try before giving up and
having it towed to dealer, and it fired up - ???

Is it the fuel pump/filter, the timing belt, or something else?

On my 81 Civic once I had a vacuum line come off; it would stall, and
not start unless I took the air cleaner cover off and waited a few
minutes.

I really like this hatchback, and until Honda starts making them again,
I'd rather not have to replace my 90; but I also need to have the body
bondo-ed every year to get through PA inspection, and that's starting
to get old too :^(

My dealer recently moved off the bus line, and they've never been big
on loaners, so I generally have to be desperate to take it to them :^(

Ron Bauerle

 

take the valve cover off and you can remove the top part of the belt
cover easily.

"relatively rare" is too hard to quantify. probability of failure
increases with mileage.

main relay

main relay

main relay

i'm with you on the hatchback thing. let's all write to honda usa &
tell them we want our hatchbacks back!

 

no, it's the truth.[/QUOTE]

What dealer would hire (and keep) a wrench who does a two hour job in six?

Strawman....burned.

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-31-then-and-now-usat_x.htm

"Other top officials, including Cheney and Rumsfeld, said the war would
last
"weeks, not months.""


http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives2/2005b/052705/052705w.php

"More than two years into a war that was supposed to be quick and easy,
and
the justification for which has spun from removing a dictator to
eliminating
weapons of mass destruction to fighting terrorism and, finally, to
planting
democracy that would then spread across the Middle East, Iraq is in chaos."


RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's ass.
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms

http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm

"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim

 

I got mine done for $400 by a mechanic who does a lot of Hondas.

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-31-then-and-now-usat_x.htm

"Other top officials, including Cheney and Rumsfeld, said the war would
last
"weeks, not months.""


http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives2/2005b/052705/052705w.php

"More than two years into a war that was supposed to be quick and easy,
and
the justification for which has spun from removing a dictator to
eliminating
weapons of mass destruction to fighting terrorism and, finally, to
planting
democracy that would then spread across the Middle East, Iraq is in chaos."


RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's ass.
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms

http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm

"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim