Tire physics Q: new CR-V tires, major gas mileage hit

Discussion in 'CR-V' started by Dick Watson, Nov 29, 2003.

  1. Dick Watson

    Dick Watson Guest

    I just replaced the OEM Bridgestone Dueler H/T D684s on my 2000 CR-V with
    identical sized Pirelli Scorpion STRs. The Pirelli's have much better UTQG
    ratings for temperature and more than 3x the tread life rating. (180BB vs.
    520AA.) So far they seem like better tires in every regard (noise, road
    feel, handling, snow and ice, etc.) but one: the gas mileage has gone down
    by a bunch. (A bunch is more than 10% and maybe as much as 20%. Four tanks
    since getting the tires are 20.5 MPG average and 12 before were 25.2
    average--there are other reasons like arrival of winter weather and
    different non-standard trips factored in there that make me a little
    suspicious that this might be worse than the problem really is.)

    This is not a one fill fluke, and I think it's real from driving
    characteristics: I seem to have to use more accelerator to do the same speed
    and on hills I travel frequently, the vehicle seems to spend a lot more time
    downshifted. I have checked and re-checked the tire pressure. I've even run
    them higher than the door jamb pressure by 3psi (which really hurts ride
    quality but seems to make no difference in the basic problem.)

    So my question is this: where's the energy from the apparently significantly
    higher rolling resistance getting dissipated? Based on the UTQGs, it
    shouldn't be in heat buildup or tread wear. What's left?
     
    Dick Watson, Nov 29, 2003
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  2. Dick Watson

    Roadie Roger Guest

    Could be a combination of things. More flexible tread that heats more
    at speed. Maybe the brakes aren't releasing as fully after the tire
    work. My real guess is that the tires are slightly larger and you are
    going slightly faster and farther than you think.

    Good Luck,
    Roadie Roger
     
    Roadie Roger, Nov 29, 2003
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  3. Dick Watson

    Dick Watson Guest

    Thanks for the reply. The size difference is an interesting thought I hadn't
    really considered. Given the magnitude of the *apparent* difference in
    performance/mileage, it seems hard to believe that the new tires are that
    much larger, but I certainly haven't tried a calibration run. I guess I was
    rejecting increased heating at speed given the huge improvement in
    temperature/tread life UTQGs. Of course, I've long sensed those numbers were
    cooked anyway.
     
    Dick Watson, Nov 30, 2003
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  4. Aren't treadwear numbers on UTQGs only applicable within the same
    tire company? I.e. a Bridgestone 200 isn't necessarily the same as
    a Pirelli 200 in treadwear?

    Check your tire pressure as well. Low tire pressure can reduce fuel
    economy.
     
    Timothy J. Lee, Dec 1, 2003
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