tire size question

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Markov, Nov 14, 2008.

  1. Markov

    Markov Guest

    hi my 2002 accord comes with 195/65/r15 tires. Is it possible to install
    205/65r15 winter tires (friend trying to get rid of them) on it.

    I have check on http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html and the difference
    does not seem to be much. Any comments appreciated. Thanks
     
    Markov, Nov 14, 2008
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  2. Markov

    Leftie Guest

    Under the heading "any comments": they may well fit, but it probably
    isn't a good idea. By installing very wide winter tires you will be
    risking 'floating', where the car rises up above the snow and sort of
    skis along, or fails to gain enough traction. You want fairly narrow
    snow tires to cut through the snow, not extra wide ones.
     
    Leftie, Nov 14, 2008
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  3. Markov

    Markov Guest

    How about using 195/55/R15 ?
     
    Markov, Nov 15, 2008
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  4. Markov

    Brian Smith Guest

    THere is no difference in the width of the original tires and the ones
    that his friend is selling. The difference is in the height of the tire.
     
    Brian Smith, Nov 15, 2008
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  5. 195 is about the maximum width I would go for dedicated snow tires. 185 is
    better while 165 is fairly "hard core" - better traction in the snow but
    poorer feel and wear when the snow is gone. The big issue in going narrow is
    the load capacity. Narrower tires also have a decidedly squirrely feel when
    the pavement is dry.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Nov 15, 2008
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  6. Markov

    Dan C Guest

    Wrong. 205's are wider than 195's. The other numbers were the same.
     
    Dan C, Nov 15, 2008
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  7. Markov

    Leftie Guest


    Honestly? I don't know. It might work, or you might get the worst of
    both worlds: same width, but less contact with the road because of the
    smaller diameter...
     
    Leftie, Nov 15, 2008
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  8. Markov

    Siskuwihane Guest

    Correct, I'll just add this from TireRack so others may benefit...

    Section Width
    Following the letter(s) that identify the type of vehicle and/or type
    of service for which the tire was designed, the three-digit numeric
    portion identifies the tire's "Section Width" (cross section) in
    millimeters.

    P225/50R16 91S

    The 225 indicates this tire is 225 millimeters across from the widest
    point of its outer sidewall to the widest point of its inner sidewall
    when mounted and measured on a specified width wheel. This measurement
    is also referred to as the tire's section width. Because many people
    think of measurements in inches, the 225mm can be converted to inches
    by dividing the section width in millimeters by 25.4 (the number of
    millimeters per inch).

    225mm / 25.4 = 8.86"

    Sidewall Aspect Ratio
    Typically following the three digits identifying the tire's Section
    Width in millimeters is a two-digit number that identifies the tire's
    profile or aspect ratio.

    P225/50R16 91S

    The 50 indicates that this tire size's sidewall height (from rim to
    tread) is 50% of its section width. The measurement is the tire's
    section height, and also referred to as the tire's series, profile or
    aspect ratio. The higher the number, the taller the sidewall; the
    lower the number, the lower the sidewall. We know that this tire
    size's section width is 225mm and that its section height is 50% of
    225mm. By converting the 225mm to inches (225 / 25.4 = 8.86") and
    multiplying it by 50% (.50) we confirm that this tire size results in
    a tire section height of 4.43". If this tire were a P225/70R16 size,
    our calculation would confirm that the size would result in a section
    height of 6.20", approximately a 1.8-inch taller sidewall.

    Internal Construction
    A letter (R in this case) that identifies the tire's internal
    construction follows the two digits used to identify the aspect ratio.

    P225/50R16, P225/50ZR16

    The R in the P225/50R16 91S size identifies that the tire has a Radial
    construction in which the tire's body plies "radiate" out from the
    imaginary center of the wheel. Radial tires are by far the most
    popular type of tire today representing over 98% of all tires sold.

    If the R in the size was replaced with a D (225/50D16), it would
    identify that the internal tire body plies crisscross on a Diagonal
    and that the tire has a "bias ply" construction. Tires using this
    construction are for light truck and spare tire applications.

    If the R in the size was replaced with a B (225/50B16), it would
    identify that the tire body plies not only crisscross the tire on a
    diagonal as before, but that they are reinforced with belts under the
    tread area. This type of tire construction is called "Belted." Tires
    using this construction are practically extinct.

    Speed Rating
    Today, the only tires that continue to include the speed rating "in"
    the tire size (P225/50ZR16) are Z-speed rated tires. In this case,
    following the two digits used to identify the aspect ratio are the
    letters ZR to identify the tire's speed rating (Z) and its internal
    construction (R). Since 1991, all other speed ratings are identified
    in the tire's Service Description (which will be covered shortly).

    Tire and Wheel Diameter
    P225/50R16 91S

    The 16 indicates the tire and wheel diameter designed to be matched
    together.

    Tires that have a rim diameter expressed in inches (P225/50R16, as
    well as 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 26 and 28)
    are called "inch rim" sizes, are the most common type of tire size and
    are used on most cars, minivans, vans, sport utility vehicles and
    light duty light trucks.

    While not as common, two additional "unique" types of tire/wheel
    diameters are still in use today.

    Tires and wheels that have a rim diameter expressed in "half" inches
    (8.00R16.5LT, as well as, 14.5, 15.5, 17.5 and 19.5) are used on some
    heavy-duty trailers, heavy-duty light trucks and box vans.

    Tires and wheels that have a rim diameter expressed in millimeters
    (190/65R390, as well as, 365 and 415) are called millimetric sizes.
    Michelin initiated millimetric sizes for their TRX tires that saw
    limited use on many different car models in the late 1970s and 1980s.

    Michelin PAX System run flat tires have been introduced as an
    integrated wheel/tire system on a very limited basis as Original
    Equipment (O.E.) in North America. An example PAX System size of
    235/710R460A 104T expresses tire and wheel dimensions in millimeters
    (235 mm Section Width, tire Overall Diameter of 710 mm and a 460A mm
    rim diameter, with the "A" in 460A signifying these tires feature
    "asymmetric" beads in which the outside bead (450 mm) and inside bead
    (470 mm) are actually different diameters.

    All of these "unique" tire/wheel diameters were developed specifically
    because the tire and wheel design or intended vehicle use required
    them to be different than conventional tires and wheels. All of these
    tires and wheels feature bead profiles that have a different shape
    than traditional "inch rim" sizes.

    Tires and wheels with unique rim diameters should never be combined
    with traditional "inch rim" tires and wheels.

    It is critical that the tire and wheel diameters are always confirmed
    to match before the tire is mounted on the wheel.

    Service Description
    P225/50R16 91S

    The 91S represents the tire's Service Description. A Service
    Description identifies the tire's Load Index and Speed Rating. Service
    Descriptions are required on all speed rated (except for Z-speed
    rated) tires manufactured since 1991. For more information on Service
    Descriptions
     
    Siskuwihane, Nov 15, 2008
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  9. Markov

    Jim Guest

    Sure you can. The general ruile of thumb is that you can safely go up
    or down one size. That doesn't mean you can't do other swaps.
     
    Jim, Nov 17, 2008
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