Toyo radiator ( model # 60300 AF ) 's cap puts too little pressure on coolant

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by TE Cheah, Feb 7, 2006.

  1. TE Cheah

    TE Cheah Guest

    When hot, coolant's air bubbles appear / expand, so coolant always got
    pushed out of cap & into overflow-bottle.
    I put a o-ring onto cap's bottom seat for cap's gasket to press onto, to
    increase cap's spring's pressure on coolant, www.barsleaks.net/faq.html
    then engine( F20A )'s maximum*temperature is lower, I think because
    air bubbles are now smaller so heat can be transferred out fstr : now *
    does not ( used to ) reach the top left corner of my '90 accord ( tmprtre
    gauge lacks calibration ) 's gear position indicator's D3 box, in 29°C
    ambient air .
    Users in hot weather e.g. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8641667/ beware.

    Does any1 here put distilled water in radiator ? Can distilled water (
    w-o air dissolved therein ) transfer heat fstr than tap water ( has air
    dissolved therein ) ?
     
    TE Cheah, Feb 7, 2006
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  2. TE Cheah

    webpa Guest

    If you have bubbles in the coolant, then you have a vastly more serious
    problem than the radiator cap. Possibly a blown head or manifold
    gasket that is permitting exhaust gas to leak into the cooling system.
    It is absolutely NOT normal to have any bubbles in the coolant...given
    no internal leaks, dissolved gasses are driven off in the first couple
    of minutes of normal operating temperature after a fill.
     
    webpa, Feb 19, 2006
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  3. TE Cheah

    TE Cheah Guest

    | Possibly a blown head or manifold gasket
    Other symptoms will appear, if either gasket cracked.

    | dissolved gasses are driven off
    To where ? They cannot escape when radiator cap is closed, & will re
    -dissolve into coolant ( when cool ), esp CO² ( quite soluble in cool
    water ).

    | normal operating temperature
    Pls define.
    My brother's Mercedes 280 has a maximum water temperature of 79°
    C, but his C200 - 90°C. Japanese cars' tmprtre gauges lack calibration
    , I can only guess what their water's max tmprtres are.
     
    TE Cheah, Feb 19, 2006
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  4. Under normal conditions the coolant cycles to/from the reservoir when the
    engine is run. Whatever bubbles collect in the radiator should get cycled
    out to the reservoir each time the engine warms up. I am more than a little
    concerned if bubbles appear on a continuing basis more than a few days after
    the system is filled. OTOH, if it is the head gasket dying the symptoms will
    soon come on strong, as you say. Within a month or so you should know one
    way or the other.

    A common shadetree check for head gasket failure into the coolant passages
    is to remove the radiator cap (with the engine cold), start the engine,
    pinch off the hose to the reservoir and place the palm of your hand over the
    radiator opening. If combustion gases are leaking into the coolant you will
    feel the steady rise of pressure against your palm within a couple seconds
    and there will be no mistaking the pressure within less than 10 seconds. By
    the time you can feel fluctuating pressure the gasket is very far gone - I
    don't recall feeling that on a car that still ran.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Feb 19, 2006
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  5. TE Cheah

    TE Cheah Guest

    | Whatever bubbles collect in the radiator should get cycled
    | out to the reservoir each time the engine warms up.

    Only if cap ( like my Toyo cap ) puts too little pressure on coolant
    , & coolant gets hot enough for bubbles' pressure to exceed cap's.
    Even then, not all bubbles will escape ; when bubbles escape,
    remaining bubbles' pressure will drop til < cap's, then no more
    bubble will escape.
     
    TE Cheah, Feb 20, 2006
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  6. The amount of pressure your cap provides is directly correlated with
    he temperature at which it is intended to open. The is technology
    from, oh I'm guessing, the 1920s. All of the dissolved gas is quickly
    vented form the system and, if any remains, it isn't causing a
    problem.

    I cringe to ask what you think the problem is here.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Feb 22, 2006
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