[QUOTE] C.E. "Ed" White is a known troll in the Toyota newsgroup. He owned only one Toyota a long, long time ago that was a rare lemon, and has had a hatred for Toyota ever since. He's been known to lie and exaggerate to make Toyota look bad, and disputes any reliability ratings that make Toyota look good while believing those that make them look not as desirable. Ignore him.[/QUOTE] Expressing an opinion does not make someone a troll. Calling someone a liar because he does not agree with you is not a fair tactic. Point out one lie I have told. You ignore facts at your own peril. Chanting the "Toyotas are great" mantra doesn't make it a fact. Define "rare lemon." Why is it wrong for me point out that not all surveys are as flattering to Toyota as the Consumer Reports survey [used to be]? I don't trust the CR's survey any more today than I did last year, or ten years ago. It is not a well constructed survey. Regards, Ed White