UAW forced to be paid as a Southern Foreign factory worker.

The imposition of tariffs by the US will result in the US being completely
isolated, and our multi-national corporations being destroyed, including GM,
Ford, GE, IBM, Microsoft, Boeing, and many others who do substantial
business overseas.

 

Americans will never learn. The American government put the American steel
companies out of business by allowing foreign steel to flood the US market
with low price steel, made overseas in more modern steel plants, built after
WWII by the US taxpayers, in counties where the governments subsidies the
steel companies like they do their auto industries!

The steelworkers union gave concession after concession to the American
steel companies in an effort to save THEIR jobs but the American steel
companies went out of business anyway and were bought our by foreign steel
companies for pennies on the dollar. The foreign owners then raised the
price of steel to its highest price in history and still pay the steelworks
under the old contract terms.

Today the taxpayers in southern states are doing the very same thing
building assembly plants for Japanese and European car manufactures that are
subsided by their governments.

If President Bush had allowed our last remaining major defense industry to
go out of business we would need to get our tanks for overseas

 

Maybe everyone wanted the same option and they sold out. It does sound like
supply and demand. If you wanted one that bad you should have ordered one.

 

So you compare a $200 Intel product with a $30,000 product? Since when has
Intel become an Industrial manufacturing base?? Your lack of logic is
amazing simply to support your case.

 

Lets see you build a car or any other vehicle for that matter? If you do
lets see you build hundreds and hundreds in a days time. When people began
to make excuses for ignorance then we are really in trouble.

 

And they will be the first targets they hit. Hell I could fly a Cessna
through Brazil airspace and drop a bomb out the door unopposed without the
any AA fire. They would be sitting ducks.

 

Again software is not an industrial manufacturing base, they are paper
pushers. They build nothing.

 

Building a car is much simpler than building a CPU. The technology that goes
into manufacturing a CPU goes far, far beyond a car, irrespective of the
fact that cars now contain several microprocessors.

There is a reason why GM, Ford, and Chrysler have lots of competition and
the only Intel competitor for desktop processors is AMD. A lot of foreign
governments would like to get their hands on the technology to build CPUs,
which are restricted to be exported to some countries in the interest of US
national security. I don't think there are any restrictions on exporting a
GM, Ford, or Chrysler vehicle.

I appreciate that you probably have vested interest in the survival of GM,
Ford, and Chrysler, but you are so far off base in your conclusion, that it
is even hard to have a rational discussion about it.

 

Oh they would care about this one. Unless you are rich and isolated, every
corner of the US will feel it to some degree, not immediatly but you will
see and feel it.

 

Many, many cars are made in the US by companies other than GM, Ford, or
Chrysler. I am not necessarily in favor of them going out of business, but I
would like to see them in Chapter 11 reorganization so that they can create
a sustainable business model.

If no one in the US bought a new car for 2 years, the US would not collapse
because of lack of new cars (but it obviously would suffer because of high
unemployment if the auto manufacturers went out of business). New cars are
mostly a luxury item and we really don't need to keep buying or making as
many new ones as we do now.

 

The Japanese? So you are saying that Japan is likely to have a war with the
US, and that they will bomb the Ford plant in Brazil.

I think you forgot to take your meds today.

 

Sorry you feel that way. Building software systems is building something
IMO. In fact, not a single manufacturing plant or CNC machine would run
without software systems.

Not a single cruise missile would hit its target without very complex
software systems. Without software, our missiles would have the accuracy of
a Scud missile.

I realize you are probably a blue collar worker, but your ignorance is
astonishing.

 

I agree that everyone would feel it to some degree, but how come auto
workers don't care when people in the Southwest loose their jobs?

 

Of course, the Big Three never complained about that cheap foreign
steel, did they?

I don't think Honda, et al are going to let the good ol' boys build
their assembly plants, but they take all kinds of concessions from the
state and local governments. Lots of liberals complained about states
giving tax breaks to corporations, but we were told to shut up because
this was the free market.

This is the biggest horse shit excuse for bailing out the car
companies. Honda, Toyota, et al have US plants that could build tanks
just as well (better) than the domestic companies.

Mike, you are caught in the middle. The liberals (or at least a lot
of them) want to save the American companies to preserve American jobs
and the union. The (so called) conservative leaders don't give a crap
about those jobs and they positively despise the unions. So Mike,
which side are you on?

 

Part of their voter base, and the rest due to their bleeding hearts.

The neo-cons want all the government money they can get. Witness the
last 8 years. There are no real conservatives in the RNP anymore (at
least none with power).

 

Highly debatable. However, when "US" corporations such as you mention
no longer have anything in the USA but management, will it really
matter anymore that they are "US" corporations?

FYI - do you know what's happening with imported labor i.e. H1B and
other work visas? Check out the latest in importing labor. Jobs that
can't be outsourced are insourced with cheaper labor. Refer to my
point above for more on the impact.

 

By the way, after you take into consideration the yearly UAW dues, those po'
sutthen boys clear just as much money as them northenn GM and Ford
employees, and without the hassle.

 

Is it OK that Japan to support its auto industry? I am far from a liberal
nor a neo-con, rather a true Reagan Democrat conservative that believes in
self reliance, but there is no way we can allow one of our last reaming
AMERICAN defense industry to go out of business, like we did with our steel
companies. If we get into another big war, ALL of the foreign owned
manufactures would need to be taken over by the government, as well.

Bantam developed the Jeep but never built one, they only made trailers for
Jeeps. The Jeep was given to Willys by the War Office. When it was shown
Willys could not build then fast enough the job went to Henry Ford, who made
80% of the Jeeps in WWII and sold them to the Government at cost.

When the steel companies could not make enough steel, the Navy build blast
furnaces, open hearth furnaces and ship yards. However they ALL had the
basics in place. Today that is no longer the case, and any future war will
not be overseas, to give us time to gear up, it will be here on American
soil. You import supporters who always complain about President Bush, who
has kept the country safe for eight years, will be the first to complain
when your city is attacked.

 

How do they do that? Be specific. Provide documentation. Failure to
do so means you are lying out your ass, which we already know to be
the case.

That's just it. AMERICAN car buyers got tired of the reaming.

Funny, I never bought foreign steel. Must have been all those
domestic companies trying to buy better quality steel at a lower
price.

[snip prattle about WWII]

This is just goofy talk. What scenario are you envisioning where we
would need to rush more tanks into production?

Will, except for ignoring that memo about Bin Laden being determined
to strike US.

Did the New Yorkers complain that there weren't enough tanks to
prevent 9/11?

 

Not only is he envisioning tanks, but he's expecting an invasion. US
based terrorism is a very real possibility - but it doesn't come on
landing crafts and troop carriers.

Yeah, Bush has done one heck of a job, what with invading a sovereign
country under a web of known lies. That's really made the world a much
safer place. Pissing off the North Koreans so that they kicked out all
the inspectors and followed through on their nuke plans was another
key point in making us safer. Failing to complete the mission in
Afghanistan has also been great stabilizer.
Somebody needs a dose of reality.