unplug the spark-plug: error code or not?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by chibitul, Jul 19, 2005.

  1. chibitul

    chibitul Guest

    Hi,

    To make sure all 4 cylinders are running, I unplugged the high voltage
    wire from each spark plug (one a a time, not all at once). Each time
    the idle RPM dropped a little bit, so I said "OK, each cylinder must be
    firing properly".

    However, I drove later to AutoZone and asked them to check the error
    codes, and there were NONE! not a single error code. So why there were
    no error codes? Also, with one wire unplugged, the Check Engine light
    did not come on (the lamp is OK, it comes on at start-up).

    All this is for a 97 Civic LX by the way.

    Thanks
     
    chibitul, Jul 19, 2005
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  2. chibitul

    TeGGeR® Guest



    Why would there be any error codes in the first place? Were you
    experiencing a misfire or something?
     
    TeGGeR®, Jul 19, 2005
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  3. chibitul

    chibitul Guest

    no, I wanted to *cause* an error code... if I pull the plug, the
    cylinder does not fire, so it should generate an error code, I would
    think

    just trying to understand what the OBD-II does. thanks.
     
    chibitul, Jul 19, 2005
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  4. chibitul

    jim beam Guest

    what problem are you trying to diagnose? plugs are so cheap, if you
    have any doubts, just replace them.

    regarding codes, fwiu, you /should/ get a code from a "misfire". it's
    detected by registering a change in the angular velocity of the
    crankshaft and should indicate /which/ plug is misfiring. but the ecu
    may not trigger a misfire code below certain revs or maybe if it's not
    misfiring for very long - just guessing because idle can give erratic
    crank rotation speeds hence the need to not be too sensitive and plugs
    self-clean when hot, hence the need to ignore any misfire when still
    warming up...

    if anyone knows for sure, please post.
     
    jim beam, Jul 19, 2005
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  5. chibitul

    TeGGeR® Guest


    If I remember correctly, the MIL will illuminate if the ECM determines that
    the engine has exceeded Federal emissions limits by 150% on at least TWO
    consecutive "drive cycles".

    You'd need to pull the plug, let it misfire fifteen seconds or so, plug it
    back in and drive the car to full-warm. Then shut it off and let it cool
    completely (overnight is good), then repeat the whole thing the next day.

    That ought to set the MIL. But 15 seconds misfire may not be enough (about
    188 revs at 750rpm), and leaving the plug off for longer risks damaging
    your coil.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jul 19, 2005
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  6. chibitul

    chibitul Guest

    good points Jim.

    Regarding your question: I think the car is not as powerfuls as my
    wife's car (i know, mileage, age, 1.6 vs 1.7 L engine), but still, I
    think it's missing a few horses. So I wanted to make sure all 4
    cylinders fire properly. I was just wondering why I didn't get error
    codes.

    Thanks.
     
    chibitul, Jul 19, 2005
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  7. chibitul

    jim beam Guest

    replace plugs, leads, distributor cap & rotor arm.
     
    jim beam, Jul 19, 2005
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