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Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Useful Info, May 21, 2007.

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    jim beam Guest

    the all clutch pack solution is unique to honda afaik. planetary geared
    automatics, which are the majority, still use clutch bands in addition
    to clutch packs.

    http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automatic-transmission4.htm

    the modern "semi-auto's" with full auto control use a single dry plate
    clutch to shift and individual dog clutches on the ratios like a
    standard transmission.
     
    jim beam, May 23, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    the all clutch pack solution is unique to honda afaik. planetary geared
    automatics, which are the majority, still use clutch bands in addition
    to clutch packs.

    http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automatic-transmission4.htm

    the modern "semi-auto's" with full auto control use a single dry plate
    clutch to shift and individual dog clutches on the ratios like a
    standard transmission.
     
    jim beam, May 23, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    reality is, it's not weight, it's ability to protect the passenger cell
    that matters. if the passenger cell fails, and unfortunately, that
    happens in a lot of those big heavy older vehicles, the occupants are
    going to have the local coyotes and vultures poking about inside their
    vehicle quite actively if the crash is not detected soon enough.
     
    jim beam, May 23, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    reality is, it's not weight, it's ability to protect the passenger cell
    that matters. if the passenger cell fails, and unfortunately, that
    happens in a lot of those big heavy older vehicles, the occupants are
    going to have the local coyotes and vultures poking about inside their
    vehicle quite actively if the crash is not detected soon enough.
     
    jim beam, May 23, 2007
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    Joe LaVigne Guest

    Have you actually checked any manuals?

    My 06 Civic Si certainly has scheduled service for replacement of the manual
    transmission fluid. Can't give you a set schedule, since it is on the
    maintenance minder, but it will come up and need to be done.
     
    Joe LaVigne, May 23, 2007
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    Joe LaVigne Guest

    Have you actually checked any manuals?

    My 06 Civic Si certainly has scheduled service for replacement of the manual
    transmission fluid. Can't give you a set schedule, since it is on the
    maintenance minder, but it will come up and need to be done.
     
    Joe LaVigne, May 23, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    that's the ironic stupidity of it! rather than re-invest and compete,
    detroit simply put lipstick on their pig and hoped to keep selling it.
    now, domestic product is /so/ bad and /so/ behind the technology curve,
    it's hard to see how they could ever catch up. it's not like anyone
    couldn't see this coming, not least detroit, and they were filling their
    pants with their fears. but then they had the reprieve of the suv
    phenomenon when they were suddenly making 50% /NET/ profits on those
    pieces of the garbage, and the japanese were standing about scratching
    themselves wondering what the **** people were buying those dumb-ass
    vehicles for. but ever the pragmatists, the japanese soon figured that
    if that's what the round-eyes wanted, that's what they would get, and
    suddenly the only thing detroit had left was taken away. dumb bastards.
    they deserve to go down in flames if they can't get smart.
     
    jim beam, May 23, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    that's the ironic stupidity of it! rather than re-invest and compete,
    detroit simply put lipstick on their pig and hoped to keep selling it.
    now, domestic product is /so/ bad and /so/ behind the technology curve,
    it's hard to see how they could ever catch up. it's not like anyone
    couldn't see this coming, not least detroit, and they were filling their
    pants with their fears. but then they had the reprieve of the suv
    phenomenon when they were suddenly making 50% /NET/ profits on those
    pieces of the garbage, and the japanese were standing about scratching
    themselves wondering what the **** people were buying those dumb-ass
    vehicles for. but ever the pragmatists, the japanese soon figured that
    if that's what the round-eyes wanted, that's what they would get, and
    suddenly the only thing detroit had left was taken away. dumb bastards.
    they deserve to go down in flames if they can't get smart.
     
    jim beam, May 23, 2007
  9. Useful wins this troll.
     
    Dan Bloomquist, May 23, 2007
  10. Useful wins this troll.
     
    Dan Bloomquist, May 23, 2007
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    Tegger Guest



    Toyota went bandless in the '70s.
     
    Tegger, May 23, 2007
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    Tegger Guest



    Toyota went bandless in the '70s.
     
    Tegger, May 23, 2007
  13. But as a spammer he seems to have ended up on the losing end. The thread has
    been about the subject line and spinoff from that. His site advertising has
    been a flop, because nobody even cares where the link pointed. Just as
    well - I saw the subject lines there and realized I had forgotten my tin
    foil hat.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, May 23, 2007
  14. But as a spammer he seems to have ended up on the losing end. The thread has
    been about the subject line and spinoff from that. His site advertising has
    been a flop, because nobody even cares where the link pointed. Just as
    well - I saw the subject lines there and realized I had forgotten my tin
    foil hat.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, May 23, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    i thought they were still planetary. i tried looking briefly for toyota
    gearbox drawings last night but couldn't find anything. do you have any
    links?
     
    jim beam, May 23, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    i thought they were still planetary. i tried looking briefly for toyota
    gearbox drawings last night but couldn't find anything. do you have any
    links?
     
    jim beam, May 23, 2007
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    Tegger Guest




    Planetary yes, banded no. The two are not mutually inclusive. All bands
    or clutch packs do is affect which part(s) of the planetary gearset
    is/are allowed to turn.

    I also discovered the Chrysler A604 transaxle is also bandless. I have
    posted to rec.autos.tech asking for more examples of bandless auto
    gearboxes.



    Not online. I read that in a factory shop manual. Toyota had some banded
    trannies and some bandless ones. I think the Toyota A40 was the first
    bandless.
     
    Tegger, May 23, 2007
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    Tegger Guest




    Planetary yes, banded no. The two are not mutually inclusive. All bands
    or clutch packs do is affect which part(s) of the planetary gearset
    is/are allowed to turn.

    I also discovered the Chrysler A604 transaxle is also bandless. I have
    posted to rec.autos.tech asking for more examples of bandless auto
    gearboxes.



    Not online. I read that in a factory shop manual. Toyota had some banded
    trannies and some bandless ones. I think the Toyota A40 was the first
    bandless.
     
    Tegger, May 23, 2007
  19. If you are talking about the american market only, I don't know, but in
    the global market Toyota got to number one in the first quarter(?) of
    this year.
     
    Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro, May 23, 2007
  20. If you are talking about the american market only, I don't know, but in
    the global market Toyota got to number one in the first quarter(?) of
    this year.
     
    Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro, May 23, 2007
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