Volkswagon unveils car that gets 282 miles to the gallon.

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Useful Info, May 21, 2007.

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    bill Guest


    Not helping that the cost of medical insurance in the us amounts
    to $1500/vehicle, and that the union labor cost is $25/hour for
    uneducated high school dropouts who can barely be trusted to swing a
    hammer.
    These costs cut into the profit margins on the manufacturing
    end, and must be made up somewhere, and you can't really do it with
    efficiency improvements because those are capital intensive. so they
    make up for it on skimpy design cycle and poor tolerance machining, n
    other words, our cushioned american asses make crap cars because our
    union cocksuckers would rather make crap cars than get paid what
    they're worth.
     
    bill, May 23, 2007
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    bill Guest


    Not helping that the cost of medical insurance in the us amounts
    to $1500/vehicle, and that the union labor cost is $25/hour for
    uneducated high school dropouts who can barely be trusted to swing a
    hammer.
    These costs cut into the profit margins on the manufacturing
    end, and must be made up somewhere, and you can't really do it with
    efficiency improvements because those are capital intensive. so they
    make up for it on skimpy design cycle and poor tolerance machining, n
    other words, our cushioned american asses make crap cars because our
    union cocksuckers would rather make crap cars than get paid what
    they're worth.
     
    bill, May 23, 2007
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    jp2express Guest

    I guess it boils down to the way each individual views things.

    I tend to think along the same lines as Jeremy: If the insides of the
    transmission are fully automated, fluid controlled, and use a torque
    converter instead of a clutch, I call it an automatic transmission. On the
    other hand, if the gears are physically enguaged/disenguaged with levers and
    actuators and/or requires a clutch, that is a manual transmission in my
    book - no matter how many gismos are bolted on top to do the shifting.

    Back to the main article: Greg Wilson (the author) says the VW has a "
    6-speed manual transmission that shifts automatically." It sound like Mr.
    Wilson also views this as a manual transmission, but is pointing out that
    the operator may have no control over the gear selection (other than Park,
    Reverse, Neutral, and Drive).

    The lesson here is: If someone is trying to sell you a car that says it has
    an automatic transmission, the Buyer may want to ask for more details.
    Otherwise, he may get a vehicle that comes with someone in the passenger's
    seat to shift the gears for him! :)

    ~JP

    http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/gw/vw1litre.htm
     
    jp2express, May 23, 2007
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    jp2express Guest

    I guess it boils down to the way each individual views things.

    I tend to think along the same lines as Jeremy: If the insides of the
    transmission are fully automated, fluid controlled, and use a torque
    converter instead of a clutch, I call it an automatic transmission. On the
    other hand, if the gears are physically enguaged/disenguaged with levers and
    actuators and/or requires a clutch, that is a manual transmission in my
    book - no matter how many gismos are bolted on top to do the shifting.

    Back to the main article: Greg Wilson (the author) says the VW has a "
    6-speed manual transmission that shifts automatically." It sound like Mr.
    Wilson also views this as a manual transmission, but is pointing out that
    the operator may have no control over the gear selection (other than Park,
    Reverse, Neutral, and Drive).

    The lesson here is: If someone is trying to sell you a car that says it has
    an automatic transmission, the Buyer may want to ask for more details.
    Otherwise, he may get a vehicle that comes with someone in the passenger's
    seat to shift the gears for him! :)

    ~JP

    http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/gw/vw1litre.htm
     
    jp2express, May 23, 2007
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    Eeyore Guest

    Good Lord !

    That would translate in UK equivalent terms to a US productvity rate for auto
    workers of only about 2 vehicles per year !

    I suspect the US auto compnaies could save *VAST* sums of money by operating their
    own clinics and hospitals and recruiting health workers as direct employees.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, May 23, 2007
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    Eeyore Guest

    Good Lord !

    That would translate in UK equivalent terms to a US productvity rate for auto
    workers of only about 2 vehicles per year !

    I suspect the US auto compnaies could save *VAST* sums of money by operating their
    own clinics and hospitals and recruiting health workers as direct employees.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, May 23, 2007
  7. In message Eeyore sprach forth the
    following:
    not if the hospitals were unionized.
     
    Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute, May 23, 2007
  8. In message Eeyore sprach forth the
    following:
    not if the hospitals were unionized.
     
    Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute, May 23, 2007


  9. Hmmmmm.... I've survived for 67 years without the modern nanny safety crap.

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, May 24, 2007


  10. Hmmmmm.... I've survived for 67 years without the modern nanny safety crap.

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, May 24, 2007

  11. Egg-Zact-Lee!

    <G>

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, May 24, 2007

  12. Egg-Zact-Lee!

    <G>

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, May 24, 2007

  13. Yep... Sorta like the Pinto problem of the 1970's.

    Ya gotta luv 'em!

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, May 24, 2007

  14. Yep... Sorta like the Pinto problem of the 1970's.

    Ya gotta luv 'em!

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, May 24, 2007
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    Eeyore Guest

    Plenty more haven't.

    Personal anecdotes of that nature are hardly convincing are they ?

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, May 24, 2007
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    Eeyore Guest

    Plenty more haven't.

    Personal anecdotes of that nature are hardly convincing are they ?

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, May 24, 2007

  17. Maybe not but good defensive driving practices are.

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, May 24, 2007

  18. Maybe not but good defensive driving practices are.

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, May 24, 2007
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    Eeyore Guest

    But then again they may not.

    A 'stiff' vehicle will in fact exert much higher damaging g-forces on its
    occupants than one that does indeed have crush zones.

    Yet another classic example where so-called 'common sense' proves to be very
    unsensible.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, May 24, 2007
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    Eeyore Guest

    But then again they may not.

    A 'stiff' vehicle will in fact exert much higher damaging g-forces on its
    occupants than one that does indeed have crush zones.

    Yet another classic example where so-called 'common sense' proves to be very
    unsensible.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, May 24, 2007
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