We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant

Well, here I go again.

Follow the society-progression threads in Marx, Lenin, Engels.
"Authoritarianism until enlightenment"
Now understand human nature... who is it runs the central planning; who
manages the national companies?
Where did the Russian Mafia come from? Are we to believe it just sprang,
fully-mature, in the eighties and nineties?

Aren't they the same personality/mindsets that we saw at Enron? Why did
Enron happen? Wasnt it enabled by people-elected politicians setting
little loopholes in the tax-codes?
Why would they be any different in overseeing National Socialism (cause
that's what you really advocate)? Politicians are SMARTER THAN YOU
becuase they got YOU to elect them.
Why did Enron come to light? Because of a whistleblower within. What
happens to someone who does that in a central planning society?

That whistle-blower may get another job at another private company...or
with a government agency (well, prolly not the guvmint for obvious
reasons) but what if the government WAS the employer? Where would that
whistleblower earn a living?

 

Go for it. That will keep you too busy to troll.

Mike

 

It's time to re-watch the old "Mad Max" films. The world economy is about to
change quickly and citizens of the USA and UK will pay a dear price when it
does. The faithless, liberal, peer-reviewed climate scientists postulate
that a dramatic climactic calamity associated with global warming might be
the cessation of the Gulf stream. 60 million English people will cool off
fast after that. The Gulf of Mexico will heat up nicely and spawn massive
hurricanes which disrupt exploration, production and refining of oil in the
most productive areas of the USA. The huge mal-investment we have made in
F350 duallys, et.al., is becoming worthless and someone is going to make a
fortune converting surface streets into bike paths. We Americans are apt to
be as destitute as Russian and Chinese peasants were in the 1950's. So,
foreign companies will build the 750cc, 3 cylinder go-carts that wealthy
Americans drive to their jobs at Wal-Mart (America's premier source for
Chinese made goods) and the rest of us will commute to our jobs at the salt
mines on our bicycles. Natural disasters are bad but the Government's
looting of our paltry savings will be worse. Remember inflation (and
stag-flation)? The roller coaster is about to leave the station and it will
be a wild ride. People and organizations that are highly leveraged are about
to go bankrupt. The rest of us will see our savings become worthless (think
Germany in the 1920's). It will really be bad when some disturbed politician
or military commander (think Gen. Jack D. Ripper) decides it is appropriate
to blackmail the Arabians or the Chinese with nuclear weapons. That could
get ugly. So, stock up on gasoline, propane for the grill, MRE's, water, m16
a2's for all the family members, warm clothes, lots of solar cells and
batteries, seeds, hoes, horses, chickens, pigs and bicycles. Don't let your
neighbors know your plan. We are apt to be recovering continuously from a
hurricane, a pandemic, a stock market collapse, a riot of the unemployed, a
cessation of electric service or an attack from foreign or domestic
insurgents. All who now hold government jobs will be unemployed. All the big
suburban McMansions will become rooming houses or funeral homes. My advice:
buy gold and move to Argentina (or Brazil if you find Portuguese as musical
as I do).

 

Indeed, Russia was an oligarchy if not a dictatorship. Even so, the people
probably lived better and progressed faster than had the monarchy system
of the czars persisted.

The 'people' used to own the train system and underground in the United
Kingdom
as well. The transportation was good, and affordable. Ditto the health
care system.

After privatization, it all went to hell in a handbasket.

Private industry under capitalism does some things very well,and other
things
abominally. (That is probably why the founding fathers preserved the US
Postal
Service as a government function, rather than opening it up to entrepreneurs
as
a business.)

But, friends, this fuel problem isn't going to go away. You can put your
head in
the sand if you wish, but when you pull it out, the problem will still be
here, and
worse.

We need real answers, not a temporary source of cheap gasoline.

 

Well, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan now has a price tag of $10
billion per month. Makes that $100 million look like a tip jar on a bar.

Penny ante lip service.

 

Look... I'll give you ostriches a little hint.

Denmark, Norway, France and Germany aint fighting in Iraq. Check out
deeply into some of their news items.
There's far more at stake here than the price of oil.

Now if we're gonna talk about energy, let's do that and leave out the
Bush Derangement Syndrome comments....and I'll nail Dubya and his brother
for what they arent doing on the issue.
On the other hand, if you want to pretend that there's some Trilateral
Commission crap going on, then you deserve what you get from it.

 

And that electric is probably oil generated, and diesel is just another
fuel oil produced from crude.

 

That makes since it take four barrels of crude to produce one barrel of
gasoline, but it is still a byproduct of the refining process and would need
to be burned off at the refinery is not consumed..


mike hunt

 

Just how do you think the 'White House' can control the price of gasoline?


mike hunt

 

Eh? pre what, 85 I think it was, trains were nasty, smelly anf filthy.
statoins were dark and often dank, trains were slow and often not on
time, and my local mainline station at the time had no working
electronic scheduals (the dot matrix board was always broke, and all
the monitor screens had severe phosphor burn.

Nowadays, trains are faster, cleaner, and the stations are actually
nice to be in. I saw a prorgam on PBS the other day as well, a British
guy going around the southern UK and wales after 20 years away, and he
was amazed by the trains. Hell, liverpool lime street's got clean
glass over head for the first time in over 60 years. and Edge Hill
station (one of the worlds first stations, and the one between
Liverpools main station, and the station roughly where the Rocket was
tested) doesn't look like a bomb site any more.

 

Adn heavily subsidized by taxes. Most of which NOW go to...

Want to run that by, again? Read much?

Uh... not exactly. Study up. Think 'Rural electrical coop' for a hint.

Then think how much of your junk mail arrives by FedEx or UPS ...
there's a little hint there as to why first class postal rates keep
rising.

 

Never let facts get in the way of a good opinion!

 

Think about it. If one can not pump any more gasoline through the
distribution system because the demand is cut in half, one does not have any
tanks left to store the gasoline, that comes out of a barrel of oil before
one get to the really profitable carbon products, what do you think they
will have to do with the gasoline?

mike hunt

 

Really? The company that is being built in Pa to covert coal to oil plant
is a private capitol company, that was given $100,000,000 in federal seed
money, by the President, through the DOD.


mike hunt

 

I didn't ask you to think about it. I asked for evidence.

Jeff

 

Yet, I use considerably less energy and produce less pollution than if I
drove into school.

Jeff

 

Could you please provide evidence that it takes four barrels of oil to
produce one barrel of gasoline?

You keep coming up with "facts" like the one about how only a small fraction
of crude oil is converted to gasoline that don't seem to fit with reality.
Perhaps this is another.

Jeff

 

I don't do home work for my grandchildren, what makes you believe I would do
yours? You are free to believe whatever you choose. You need not do a
search to learn the fasts to do so.


mike hunt

 

I'm sorry that logic escapes you but if you really want to know, you are
free to do your own search to find what I found.


mike hunt

 

That makes since it take four barrels of crude to produce one barrel of gasoline, but it is still a byproduct of the refining

Hmmm. Interesting claim.

4 barrels crude * $70 / barrel crude * barrel / 42 gallons = 6.67 $/gallon

And that is before any processing costs and gasoline taxes.

Another hypothesis shot down.

Lynn