We Could Build a Coal-to-Gasoline Conversion Plant

What do you want me to read..I lived there.
What YOU read in the USA is a bit suspect.

 

That's a project that I hadn't heard about.

Do we get part ownership for our $100,000,000?

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All you did was to transfer the energy consumption and pollution to someone
else;it's not much different than if you took a taxi.
And if the public transpo is under-utilized,it may be a bigger waste.

 

What I READ about it, I read in the British Press! And they are writing
about NOW, not the 'good old days'

 

I am not suggesting that you do my work. Rather, that you do your work: be
sure of your facts before you post them.

The fasts? That was during lent.

Fast seems an accurate word. Fast as in write whatever you think is true
without doing the work of verifying the info you post.

Jeff

 

In other words, you are unwilling or unable to back your words.

Jeff

 

Price freeze... Anything over the purchased price plus a percentage of
profit determide by the governement. Our current crisis calls for it
and it includes plently for R&D and building new refinerys.

No tri lateral thing going on here but a bunch of oil exec's that knew
what might happen in the future, called forcasting and rather then be a
percentage about what could fail, they were a percent below what could
fail. 3.09 a gallon here in Wisconsin now. Summer is a couple of months
away. We have not hit the peak yet. Something will happen to change
things I can tell you that much. Allot of jobs are on the line right
now. It is good for the democrates though keeping the gas price high,
makes the right look like dummies.

Gerald

 

I know about this plant, saw it on CNN I think, it is a great idea but
they need about 30 maybe 40 or more. Start building them right now and
our dependence on crude will start to go away. The coal town will come
back, my only hope is that the great amounts will also be spent to take
care of the miners. Safety and health and a better way to get this coal
out. Our current coal mining ideas are probably very old compared to
what they could be if more money was spent on research.

Gerald

 

This should help....

The United States and Russia, along with the Organization of Petroleum
Exporting Countries (OPEC), accounted for 61 percent of the total crude
oil produced in the world in 2004. The United States accounted for 7.4
percent of the world's total 2004 crude oil production, and Russia 12
percent. Because uses for crude oil in its natural state are limited,
almost all crude oil is processed into finished petroleum products at a
refinery. The refining process usually involves (1) distillation, or
separation of the hydrocarbons that make up crude oil so that the
heavier products, such as asphalt, are separated from the lighter
products, like kerosene; (2) conversion, or cracking of the molecules
to allow the refiner to squeeze a higher percentage of light products,
such as gasoline, from each barrel of oil; and (3) treatment, or
enhancement of the quality of the product which could entail removing
sulfur from such fuels as kerosene, gasoline, and heating oils. The
addition of blending components to gasoline is also a part of this
process.



Crude oil is measured in barrels. A barrel of 42-U.S. gallons of crude
oil yields slightly more than 44 gallons of petroleum products. This
"process gain" of volume is due to a reduction in the density during
the refining process. In 2004, one barrel of crude oil, when refined,
yielded 19.7 gallons of finished motor gasoline, as well as smaller
quantities of many other petroleum products


Gerald

 

This project really is a good idea but needs to be expanded way past
one plant.. It is real and we will all benifet.

Gerald

 

It won't happen because of the environmental laws. Hell they have a
tough time just upgrading the existing facilities.

 

Jeff, step away from the troll. Just quit replying to him; it's not
like he's going to start making sense all of a sudden.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen

 

Why not post a source that disputes what was posted before making a personal
attack?


mike hunt

 

That may well be if the price of crude get high enough to make the process
competitive. Consumers are not going to buy higher cost alternative fuels
just to save the planet. they will only do so when they can save money.


mike hunt

 

Had you been watching things in the seventies when President Carter tried to
regulate the distribution of motor fuels, you would have seen that
attempting to control supply or prices, as did President Nixon only led to
shortages. In a free economy the best conservator is price. Price is the
only way to reduce the INCREASE in the consumption of oil and its products.
What is controlling the price today is increased demand and the commodities
market speculators making the money off of that growth in demand.


mike hunt

 

I guess we can assume you did not find a source to support you contention?


mike hunt

 

I certainly do not take the time to proof read, if my automatic spell
checker is satisfied as I type, I'm satisfied.

My degree is in Metallurgy, not Petrochemicals I only know what I read on
that subject. If you have a source that indicates something other than the
figures I found and quoted, please post it. I am always willing to be more
enlightened on any subject. If my source was incorrect I will direct my
source to your source so they can argue which is correct. Until then I
could not care less whether you chose believe what I posted, or not. If it
is two three of four barrels it makes no difference, gasoline is still just
one more byproduct that must be sold to a willing buyer, stored or disposed
of, in some manner to continue running the refinery to produce the product
that can be sold or stored.

mike hunt

 

Very true mike, that is why governments artificially inflate costs
through taxation and regulation, to force us to either reduce, or use
other high cost solutions.

Example: High federal and state taxes on gasoline, that contribute
zero to the finished product. Forcing us to buy smaller cars, or pay
higher taxes.

later,

tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com

 

What high federal and state taxes on gasoline are those? Gas taxes don't
even cover the cost of the highway system.

If gasoline was paying its way, the taxes on it would cover the highway
system and at least half of our military budget.


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Oil is $75 a barrel. A barrel is 42 gallons. So that's about $2 per
gallon for raw oil. And it takes 4 gallons to make a gallon of
gasoline.

So gas is $8 a gallon?