What about these gifts to Toyota

Yes, and less taxes, less services, less disposable income, less
charity, less, less, less, less.

Enjoy your race to the bottom. First one there loses, big time.

 

How do you figure?

Toyota is still turning a profit even though sales are down.

GM shows a loss on the auto business when cars are selling. They make
their money on financials.

Toyota keeps people employed even when the plant is shutdown.

All that adds up to taxes coming in.

 

The rightwingnuts can't comprehend anything beyond rightwingnut
rhetoric.

 

Not everyone exercises good business sense all the time. But sometimes they
are good business sense. But the bottom line is that in a democracy, the
majority rules, and if you don't like it you can try to elect someone else
or move.

 

How can it be less? When there was nothing but farm land or undeveloped (and
untaxed) land there is no real estate tax, no sales tax, no payroll, no
economic development. If they don't get the tax breaks in the US, they will
build cars offshore.

Speaking of tax breaks for automakers, does that mean you are against a
government bailout of GM and Chrysler?

 

To the contrary; we know that it's better to have people working than to
be asking the government for money.

The L00ney Left can't seem to grasp that WORK is better than Welfare.

 

Huh? Why am I even discussing this with you?

In some areas, all there were were minimum wage jobs. Toyota came in and
started paying wages competitive with some Union scale jobs.

So, rather than making $6.75 an hour, Joe Blow is now making $19 an hour.

And he doesn't have disposable income?

Please...explain this one to me. I *REALLY* want to hear how you came up
with this.

 

Wow. Usually I dont; have trouble with Pretzel Logic, but this one is
giving me a headache. Raising people's wages causes lower bottom line?

I suppose if you're dependent upon the government for everything this
would make sense, but as a working person, I can't see it. Go into an area
with minimum wage jobs with jobs that pay $19+ per hour, and it's a losing
situation?

Back in 1995 I was working for GE in their Help Desk for the Plastics
division. There was a guy in Mt Vernon IN that had gotten a job with
another company, going from Desktop Support to Network Admin.
I like working with my hands as much as with my brain, so I looked into
the position. He said he would give me a recommendation.

The job paid $16 an hour. Toyota had just opened a truck plant in
Evansville, 7 miles down the road, and was paying about $14. I work at GE,
my wife works at Toyota. Not only that, but nice 3-4 bedroom houses were
going for $50,000!!!

We didn't so it because my wife decided she didn't want to move that far
from her family. Shoot. $6,000 a month with a $50,000 mortgage? Sounds
like Fat City to me!

That's not a tax break! That's just GIVING them the money!

 

You want work at slave labor ages. The only purpose of the republican
filibuster is to break the UAW union. Republicans memos said just
that. You are one of the old farts here that is beyond the tome/age
of raising kids, buying houses, making a life, building a family life
and safing fo reducations and retirements. Old people should not be
allowed to vote once retired - by then they've become mean, nasty,
ornery, and just plan miserable.

 

I know this is difficult for you, but some other Joe Blow USED TO BE
making $40/hr. Hence the race to the bottom.

 

EXACTLY, a race to the bottom. And some people aid and abet it.

I'm against a bailout of Cerberus on any terms, and I'm in favor of a
restructuring of the US car industry.

 

When the jobs and tax base are taken from a traditionally higher wage
and services area, yes. A lower municipal bottom line. A race to the
bottom. You didn't bite on it, apparently.

 

It is as always a question of demand and supply.
In new companies you can hire in a lot of less qualified workers and
most of the job is done by robots.
In GM introducing robots did not allow management to make the same
cost reductions because of contracts with unions done in the past.
The unions defend their own existance to the point of extinction.
They rather make sure 100% loss for everyone than 50% reduction for
many.

 

Sorry to have bothered you. I just realized you'd never once followed an
local project or new law from start to finish by being physically present
multiple times and dealing with the local politicians involved.

Thanks for clarifying that.

 

That's a pretty big generalization there, Marky boy. Are you saying that
farm land and undeveloped land are not subject to assessment and taxation?

Remember that you used the words "there is no....", which all educated
readers will interpret to mean "always", as in "there is always no tax" on
that type of land.

Are you sure?

 

You can't generalize. When you read about state or local government giving
some sort of incentive to a business in return for building a facility, it
doesn't mean you have enough information to say it's a good idea.

Locally, we've had a couple of projects that have gone bust in big ways. In
one instance, a project created 30 jobs here and 200 in Mexico, but of
course the sales pitch initially said 200-300 jobs would be created. Now,
all such plans are being looked at with extreme scrutiny. In another, my
town announced the construction of a 300 slip marina to address the needs of
transient boaters. There was just one problem: No business plan of any kind.
No need for the marina whatsoever. So, what made the town council so goofy
about the project?

Bribes.

 

They gave them $350 Million.

 

http://www.leadercall.com/opinion/local_story_062191838.html/resources_printstory

"...We know the direct subsidy is $350 million right off the bat. That’s
the amount Mississippi will borrow to aid the Toyota plant. State
officials have yet to disclose the amount of future tax breaks. If the
Nissan plant is a guide, the total subsidy will be about a half billion
dollars..."

 

This argument is old and specious. The robots were introduced many
years ago so just retirement, death, and job resignation should have
reduced the workforce. The PA turnpike workers resisted EazyPass
until the got a clause that said no one would be layed off and allow
normal factors to reduce the workforce. A win-win because the
workforce is far below the numbers at the time of introduction of
eazypass.

 

You have no concept of how vehicles are made today or how GM operates, if
that is what you believe.

Do us a favor and add "in my opinion" to what you choose to post. You will
seem far less goofy if you simply posted what you believe as your opinion
rather than fact After all you are entitled to you own opinion no mater
how convoluted it may be. LOL