Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by John Horner, Aug 2, 2006.

  1. John Horner

    Mike Hunter Guest

    So do I LOL

    mike




     
    Mike Hunter, Aug 3, 2006
    #21
  2. John Horner

    Mike Hunter Guest

    Aveo MSRP starts at $9,995

    mike

     
    Mike Hunter, Aug 3, 2006
    #22
  3. John Horner

    Mike Hunter Guest

    Hondas employees in the US do not get as good a wage, benefits, including
    healthcare, or pensions as do GMs employees. Surely you do not believe that
    national health coverage will be free, do you? Why do you think gas cost
    $6 or more in Europe and they have a VAT tax? LOL


    mike
     
    Mike Hunter, Aug 3, 2006
    #23
  4. John Horner

    Gosi Guest

    In order to promote good transport systems and it is working
     
    Gosi, Aug 3, 2006
    #24
  5. John Horner

    Hachiroku Guest


    They used a lot of Delco electrics in those, and they just aren't as durable
    as Denso.
     
    Hachiroku, Aug 3, 2006
    #25
  6. John Horner

    Hachiroku Guest

    Hmmm....all the Vibes I've seen were made in Cambridge, ONT, along with all
    the Matrix'.
    I know the Tacomas are made there! Had to pull off the shipping tags!
     
    Hachiroku, Aug 3, 2006
    #26
  7. John Horner

    Mike Hunter Guest

    Excessive taxation slows economic growth. Hence the poor economic growth in
    Europe, over the past ten years or so, and the high unemployment rates.
    Free medical is anything but free. Surly you do not want the US to emulate
    Europe? ;)

    mike hunt
     
    Mike Hunter, Aug 3, 2006
    #27
  8. John Horner

    Mike Hunter Guest

    Build cars like the Mustang and Corvette and sell them for $10,000 LOL


    mike hunt
     
    Mike Hunter, Aug 3, 2006
    #28
  9. John Horner

    Mike Hunter Guest

    Denso Global is only a Japanese sales company. They buy parts made all over
    the world, but mostly in the far east.


    mike hunt
     
    Mike Hunter, Aug 3, 2006
    #29
  10. John Horner

    JohnR66 Guest

    I'm not a car designer by any means, but Ford should stop doing silly things
    like with the Focus: Why the hell keep the performance engine out of the ZX3
    and only in the sedan? Compare the tired styling of the Focus to the modern
    look of the foreign offerings! The same with GM's Cobalt. Too much leftover
    styling from the Cavalier. As quoted from Edmund's review, "Cobalt's design
    seems rather bland and its materials low-grade". The Japanese vehicles tend
    to put technology in to engines of even the lowest priced models, such as
    VVT for good performance from smaller engines that get great gas mileage.

    John
     
    JohnR66, Aug 4, 2006
    #30
  11. John Horner

    Gosi Guest

    Taxation on petrol has prompted new technology to go away from petrol
    and thus promoted smaller cars, bigger trains and better economy

    US could do well emulating Europe

    Europe has been improving a lot its transport system over the last
    decades and not the least because of controlled taxation by taxing
    petrol and promoting alternatives

    Market economy with lots of interventions by the governments in health
    care and unemployment benefits has created a very good balance and a
    strong middle class

    The high unemployment rates are mainly in former east areas and results
    of former centralised controled governments

    The production per manhours is much higher in Europe than in the US

    The norm is for 6 weeks paid vacations, many countries 35 hour work
    weeks, not unusual around 50 year pension schemes

    The underground economy where people pay each other without letting the
    government know is also quite high so the overall economy is much
    better than the official figures show

    Unemployed people, people on holidays, medical benefits or pensions are
    often working and paid with black money giving extra strenght to the
    economy

    The US could learn a lot from Europe but they do not because they think
    they know it all
     
    Gosi, Aug 4, 2006
    #31
  12. John Horner

    John Horner Guest


    You are quite incorrect. Denso is one of the largest parts
    manufacturers in the world. For decades they went by the name
    Nippondenso, but for some reason shortened the name a few years back.

    You can see a list of some of Denso's US factories at:

    http://www.densocorp-na.com/locations/locations.html

    Some are 100% owned by Denso, some are joint ventures. Most of Denso's
    production is outside of the US, but they are expanding in the US all
    the time.

    Denso's sales for the quarter ended June 2006 were 856.2 billion yen,
    ~ US$7.4 billion

    http://www.densocorp-na.com/news/pr.asp?Action=348

    In fact, GM named Denso it's supplier Company of the Year for 2006:

    http://www.densocorp-na.com/news/pr.asp?Action=345

    To borrow a phrase from Ronald Reagan: "There you go again". By that I
    mean saying things with seeming authority yet getting the facts wrong.
    You remind me of a Marketing VP I used to work with. His favorite
    saying was: "Often wrong, but never in doubt".

    John
     
    John Horner, Aug 4, 2006
    #32
  13. No, but it costs a lot less than health care in the US and everyone
    has it.



    Why do you think gas cost
     
    Gordon McGrew, Aug 4, 2006
    #33
  14. John Horner

    John Horner Guest

    Sure, if you want a stripped Aveo without air conditioning, CD player or
    anything else you can buy the sub $10k special. Almost nobody does.

    John
     
    John Horner, Aug 4, 2006
    #34
  15. Here is a question for you, Mike. What is the second richest country
    in the world that doesn't have nationalized health care?
     
    Gordon McGrew, Aug 4, 2006
    #35
  16. John Horner

    rmac Guest

    Let me guess - English is your second language? If not, you should find
    your high school English teacher and sue her for not doing her job.
     
    rmac, Aug 4, 2006
    #36
  17. John Horner

    John Horner Guest

    Toyota and Honda pull off major redesigns of their big selling cars
    every 3-6 years. Once upon a time, the US companies INVENTED the idea
    of constant design updates to keep the vehicles interesting. Somehow in
    the 1970s they lost the ability to do so. One could blame government
    regulations, but how then do you explain the fact that the Japanese pull
    it off like clockwork while selling cars all over the world in left and
    right side control configurations as well?

    John
     
    John Horner, Aug 4, 2006
    #37
  18. John Horner

    Joe LaVigne Guest

    Warranty doesn't impress me. Not having to use the warranty impresses me.

    Hyundai had some serious problems in previous years with Transmissions.
    And when they went, you were without your car for months, as the Tranny's
    were hard to get.

    Hopefully, they've gotten all of those issues fixed, and the new ones will
    be much less likely to need frequent visits to the mechanic, warranty or
    no.

    Also, as to fit and finish, the Hynundais do use lower tolerances to allow
    for less expensive assembly. There are larger gaps in places like hood and
    trunk. It all works out OK, as they are not noticeable (generally) unless
    you are looking for them, but the fit and finish of a Honda is still second
    to none.

    Above all, drive what you like. If it does what you need, and lasts, then
    it was a good buy!

    --
    Joseph M. LaVigne

    http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/4/2006 12:14:19 AM
    Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

    "For thy sake, tobacco, I would do anything but die."

    -Charles Lamb
     
    Joe LaVigne, Aug 4, 2006
    #38
  19. Well, he's Finnish... but his English is a helluva lot better than most
    Brits who post on the Soccer forums.

    Lay off him, never mind his Economics are bullshit!
     
    Backyard Mechanic, Aug 4, 2006
    #39
  20. Here's one for you... where do those folks who cant, or dont want to, wait
    for their NHS number to come up typically go as an option?

    What is the state of hospitals in the UK and Canada?
     
    Backyard Mechanic, Aug 4, 2006
    #40
Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.