Who will be the US "Big 3" in 2016?

And think of the synergy of the combined over-capacity.

 

True enough, but don't forget that the GM and Ford executives are also
wildely overpaid by world competitive standards and have pension
programs for themselves which no mortal can hope to get.

John

 

Isn't envy one of the deadly sins?

mike

 

It certainly is a question of longevity. If the Japs cars have always been
so much better than American cars, as some would have us believe, why are
there few if any Jap car left from 50 or evn 40 years ago? There are
plenty of American cars around and running, even many other foreign cars
sold in the US from around the world . The evidence says Jap cars are
apparently not as superior as the Jap car buyer would like us to believe.

mike

 

You believe that because you know nothing about how vehicles are built on an
assembly, I supose


mike hunt

 

You believe that because you know nothing about how CAFE rules are applied,
I suppose.


mike

 

I believe that because that is what the chief engineers for the Tercel and
Corolla design teams told me when I asked why Toyota had decided to develop
FWD cars without a previous history ;-)

I am not doubting that the case may be different at Ford or other companies.
Perhaps Toyota's assembly methodology allows them to save money on FWD cars?

 

Good point!

 

In girls Mike's condition would be known as "penis envy".

 

Mike just could not bear the thought that they (Toyota) knew what they were
doing.

 

What are you talking about?

I would really help if you inline post rather than top-post.

Jeff

 

because in 1950 or even 1960 Japan wasn't importing cars to the US in
any appreciable numbers because they were still rebuilding their
domestic infrastructure. Geez, you're a flaming dumbass sometimes.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Japanese car fan, but to simply run
them down all the time is just ignorant. Japanese cars are and have
been a viable alternative to American cars (and sometimes a better one)
for the last 30 years; unless the American mfgrs. really start
competing, they're here to stay.

nate

 

Management has a moral obligation too both make a profit for the
shareholders and to pay a fair wage to the workers. At some point, they
just have to say "Sorry, no". It was greed, IMO, that prevented them from
doing so bacause if production was shut down, they lost sales to the other
companies. Over the years, this worked, but now it is time to settle the
score and the Big 3 don't have the money to keep on the same way.
Competition can be a worderful thing. Even the unions are starting to take
a more sensible stand to save jobs.

Greed on both parts. People are still buying what we make so just keep on
making the same stuff. Oh, don't worry about that VW or Datsun, they don't
make slick cars like we have.

If my boss wants to give me a raise, I'm not going to turn it down. But at
her age, I'd rather be spending time enjoying life, not cleaning. Yes, it
may have been unreasonable, but it was all perfectly legal. I'd also take a
job as a major league pitcher for $10 million a year if someone is dumb
enough to offer it. Heck, I'd probably stay on the team long enough to
collect 1/10th of the pay and then I can retire even with a 0-1 record.

 

Mike,
Keep up the top posting... it's much easier, user-friendly, and clearer
that way.
JP

 

I think you should study the backgrounds of CEOs and get back to us.

You might be surprised at their backgrounds....

 

Imports of Japanese cars into the US prior to 1970 were almost zero.
Not that many were being sold domestically either. And it does
nothing to do with longevity. Do you thing that Ming vases are more
durable than Mikasa china because there are more Ming vases in
museums?

I don't see many 40 or 50 year old cars from any manufacturer doing
daily duty. the only ones are the collectibles brought out on fair
Sundays and getting driven to the tune of a few hundred miles a year,
at most. This has nothing to do with longevity.

 

Perhaps you could point me to the website for those 30mpg RRs and
Ferraris?

 

What exactly is your point? Sure, Wagoneer is an experienced manager
and Bill Ford is, well, uh, a member of the Ford family.

Does that somehow mean that they should be much better paid than the
CEOs of Toyota or Honda?????

John

 

If auto makers and parts suppliers had to start from scratch, including
all the machinery, how much more would FWD cost compared to RWD?

 

What do you mean running them down? I simply asked a question, where are
the old Jap cars if they are so superior? I have been saying for a long
time that every manufacture is building good stuff today, both domestic and
import brands. The only real difference among them is style and price. One
need not pay a premium price to get a reliable vehicle today

You perception is not correct. There were as many or more Japanese cars
sold in the US in the sixties than there were cars from Europe, I owned a
few myself.

I have owned many Japanese cars. Where I part company with the import
buyers, who love to come into domestic NGs and say there cars are all junk,
and have us believe Jap cars are superior to domestics, of the same class
and price range. From what I have seen in my years in the business is that
is more myth than fact.

Why else would Honda and Toyota buyers be posting in a GM NG, to say nice
things? LOL


mike hunt