Why I'm going to buy an SUV

Why do you keep answering then? Makes as much sense as the rest of your
drivel.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

What? The NHTSA says the Civic can't get out of its own way? Oh my, what
next? Does the NHTSA say what the result would be if everybody drove
Expeditions and kept running into each other? I think you should check out
the acceleration times *and* if you want to make such claims, they do not
jibe with SUV fuel economy.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

 

In AZ Republic front page last week, a report roll over acident on I10
due to tread seperation on a Ford Expedition. Whole family get killed.
Witness said the car is driving at speed limit.

 

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0808rollover.html

IMO, those who were killed are fashion victims.

Andrew

 

Thanks for your support!!! Apparently you have a LOT more
free time than I.



mike hunt

 

What did I post that would support anything you claim? Obviously you
cannot respond to the fact that many of the Pickups and SUVs you hawk
as the pinnacle of safety are more of a threat to their drivers (and
presumably other passengers) than some subcompacts. You can claim
they are safer all you want but when they count the bodies, an F-150
is about twice as likely to kill its driver than is a 4-door Civic.
Even the most dangerous small four door listed, a Kia Sephia, is no
more likely to kill its driver than an F-250 Super Cab.

Not surprised you don't have time to study that web page that refutes
the BS you spew. What web page is that again, Gordon? Why it's:

http://www.highwaysafety.org/sr_ddr/sr3507_t2.htm

 

Got shut down huh Mike? Well...it was only a matter of time.

And stop making excuses for someone knowing more that you. Your ascertain
that he has "more time", and that's because he knows more, is ludicrous.

Its obvious you try to show off your knowledge here, when in fact, its
nothing more than shallow common sense.

Now shut yer yap and get out.

 

I've seen the Insurance company sponsored test reports to which
you refer. If a manufacture were to use THOSE test to verify
that their vehicles meet the federal crash standards, that the
manufactures MUST meet to be able to sell their vehicle in the
US, the governments NHTSA would NOT accept those test as
completed, if they were submitted!! That should tell you how
valid those test are as real science. Those test are simply
designed to produce a particulr result for the benifit of the
insurers. As a retired automotive engineer with thirty years
experience, many of them designing bodies to meet federal
standards, I will tell you a small car with a five star rating is
more dangerous to properly belted passengers than a larger car
with a four star rating and is NEVER as safe as a larger vehicle
with a five star rating and certainly NEVER safer.. Simply
because you have a love affair with the Civic, don't like SUV's,
and choose to believe something different will not change that
fact. One can not defy the laws a physics. The larger vehicle
built to the same standards, as are SUV's and cars, will ALWAYS
do better for the passengers. The fact that the engineers have a
longer area, within which to build in crumples zones, lengthens
the time/distance that the forces of the collision must be
absorbed by the vehicle resulting in fewer force being absorbed
by ones body, refereed to as the 'third collision' when ones
organs hits their skeleton. I've seen five properly belted
passenger in large cars like Town Cars, where the passenger
compartment had NOT been intruded, killed by the third collision
because of high speed. That will happen at much slower speed in
a smaller vehicle, period. I'm merely trying to enlighen some of
the misconception posted in NG's. Whether one choose to believe
that or not is up to the individual, I could not care less. I
don't have any love or need for an SUV or any truck, I drive
large cars. From my years of experience I know I will never buy a
subcompact car
or let my family ride in one. It is your life, your money,
spend it where you wish.






mike hunt

 

I am 100% in liege with Gordon's opinions on SUVs, but I think that
this particular comparison might not be entirely fair. The average
age of Town Car owners and drivers must be about 75, and that alone
might produce significantly skewed results. Are there any other
vehicle-to-vehicle comparisons available?

Ron

 

If you mean the same stats on other vehicles, the IIHS website has
driver fatality stats on a lot of vehicles at:

http://www.highwaysafety.org/sr_ddr/sr3507_detail.htm

The point about driver influence (and the difference between Civic and
Town Car Drivers) is a good one and it is certainly a factor in the
death rates. In the case of Civic v. Town Car, the Town Car drivers
tend to be older, frailer, possibly impaired to varying degrees but
they tend to drive slower and for fewer miles. On the Civic side,
there would be a fair number of teen drivers.

There are a lot of obvious driver influences that you would expect,
but sometimes not. Check out these driver death rates:

Civic 4-dr 47
Civic 2-dr 68
Integra 4-dr 67
Integra 2-dr 76

Corolla 86
Prism 125

Camry 37
Accord 2-dr 47
Accord 4-dr 62

Kia Sephia 148

Miata 59
Mustang 138
Firebird 267
Camaro 309 (most dangerous on the list)

Explorer 2-dr/
2wd 231
Explorer 4-dr/
2wd 103
Explorer 2-dr/
4wd 76
Explorer 4-dr/
4wd 56

Blazer 4dr/2wd 195
Blazer 2dr/4wd 153
Blazer 4dr/4wd 72

Cavalier 133
Sunbird 205

 

I'd be interested in seeing the figures for an SUV as SUVs have far worse
handling than a town car.

Here in colorado, it's become a cliche how most vehicles that go sailing
offroad during a snowstorm are 4wd. If its rolled over, it's
pretty much guaranteed to be an SUV.

 

Thanks for providing the selfish asshole view, Mike.

 

127 lines for that, eh dumbass?

 

Your welcome! Just curious, how come you are such and
expert on a##holes?




mike hunt

 

They're all over Usenet!

 

[snip]

Hey Mike...try to change the format and line return when you cut-and-paste
from the web...it will make you look (less) stupid.

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA....

Lets see...17 years old, playing on Mommy's keyboard...

Too bad...what a great place to start thinning the gene pool.

Um...thanks again for you "permission".

Now get a life loser.

 

From watching *you* post here.

 

Nah. It someone commenting on posts, with adding *anything* to the Honda
based discussion.

 

Top posted for easy reading. Apparently the method most readers
seem to prefer. If not Dizzy, the resident a$$hole expert, has
enough time on his hands to change it to his liking.




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Apparently you have been leading a sheltered life, if those are
your core believes. LOL


mike hunt

 

Sorry but you'll have to find another moniker for Dizzy. A$$hole was
assigned a while ago.... to you!

See here for your handicap <http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/> and if
finding the right links through all on your own
<http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html> and
<http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html#refs>

You know pretending to join a community without looking up their
established etiquette and practices for efficient use of their
communication medium is generally considered rude and ignorant. People
will try to urge you to follow generally acceptable behavior but eventually
will shun you.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??