Why you should remove the negative battery terminal before doing ANYTHING!!!!

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Hachiroku ハチロク, Nov 11, 2007.

  1. way, way, way too much.

    As he always does, apparently. Gary L. Burnore doesn't know how to trim
    posts.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Nov 11, 2007
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    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    Probably you don't even know basic Ohm's law or Kirchoff's or
    Tevnin Norton's theorem, etc. If you want to debate, email me directly.
    Let's compare our CV first.
     
    Tony Hwang, Nov 11, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    tony, this is usenet - "credentials" don't mean shit. just stick to the
    facts.

    fact 1 - batteries don't "surge". period. some [reactive] peripherals
    can do it, unless protected. in cars, they all are. dome lights are
    not reactive.

    fact 2 - ohmic behavior dictates that battery voltage drops as current
    increases, not the other way around.

    fact 3 - ecu's are "idiot proofed". per #1, a dome light has no
    reaction that could possibly cause a problem, even if the ecu was
    unprotected.

    conclusion: either address reality or move on.
     
    jim beam, Nov 11, 2007
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    Steve W. Guest

    No but a direct short could cause a problem in the item shorted. In the
    case of some vehicles that could be the BCM if they use it for things
    like an interior light timer/dimmer (close door and dome light stays on
    for a bit) Shorting that circuit cause problems.
    Yes BUT take a chunk of wire and toss it across the battery. Measure the
    battery voltage. It likely won't cause a voltage drop as it heats up and
    melts.
    VERY WRONG. ECUs are easy to kill if you are not paying attention. My
    SOP in the body shop is to pull the ECU on anything that rolls in for
    panel work. One good zap from a welder can kill the ECU without being
    near it.

    --
    Steve W.
    Near Cooperstown, New York
    NRA Member
    Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
    Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
    he'd have become a vegan.
     
    Steve W., Nov 11, 2007
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    Jim Yanik Guest

    Yes,it will.That battery has internal resistance,and a short will draw a
    lot of current and make for a heavy V drop.(the same happens every time you
    start your car;there are specs for battery Vdrop while cranking.)
     
    Jim Yanik, Nov 11, 2007
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    dizzy Guest

    You are utterly without a clue. Best keep quiet.
     
    dizzy, Nov 12, 2007
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  7. On about 92 and up:

    The dome light is connected to the Body Control Module.

    RK
     
    Refinish King, Nov 12, 2007
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  8. Hey, RK, how ya doin'?

    I wanted to ask you something a while ago, but I forget.

    At any rate, right. The DL is connected to the BCM, which MAY have a
    connection to the ECM.

     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Nov 12, 2007
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    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    Internal resistance is very small value. Against dead short it's not a
    big factor. Cranking is not a dead short situation. Once I dropped a
    pair of plier across heavy industrial battery terminals. The plier
    litterally evaporated.
     
    Tony Hwang, Nov 12, 2007
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  10. Boy, am I glad that my newest vehicle is an '83...

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Nov 12, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    "likely"??? dude, it /definitely/ does! grade school science class.

    eh? welding is a whole different ball game to shorting a fuse protected
    light circuit. welding is done at voltages and currents in excess of
    those seen in vehicle operation, and is accompanies by all kinds of
    radio frequency noise, both from the spark and the welder, depending on
    welder type! yes, it's good to disconnect the ecu while welding. no,
    shorting a light circuit doesn't replicate those conditions.
     
    jim beam, Nov 12, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    what is it then? state the number of ohms. typical honda civic battery.

    it is when it's the largest resistance in the circuit!

    sure. and how much did the voltage drop?
     
    jim beam, Nov 12, 2007
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    jim beam Guest

    yes, which is not the ecu!

     
    jim beam, Nov 12, 2007
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    Andy Dingley Guest

    Maybe he reversed the polarity of the Bogon Flux ?
     
    Andy Dingley, Nov 13, 2007
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    Andy Dingley Guest

    Hey, I can even _spell_ Thevenin
     
    Andy Dingley, Nov 13, 2007
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  16. I talked to him last night. He says he wants you to come out and tell him
    why his Pathfinder won't start after changing the dome light...
     
    Hachiroku ハチロク, Nov 13, 2007
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  17. Anybody that says a short on a voltage line can't hurt an ECU has
    never worked on computers.....
     
    Scott in Florida, Nov 13, 2007
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  18. I'm doing great!

    Thank you.

    If anything is connected to the BCM, it will be in someway connected to the
    ECM. Through a Bus or a connector.

    RK
     
    Refinish King, Nov 13, 2007
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  19. The BCM is always communicating with the ECU!

    RK
     
    Refinish King, Nov 13, 2007
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  20. It could be a coincidence?

    Maybe there is another problem.

    RK
     
    Refinish King, Nov 13, 2007
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