Will switching from Synthetic to Dyno oil harm my engine?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by elmo, Dec 20, 2004.

  1. Yes...$115 more for the Dino regimen OR $115 less for the Mobil-1 regimen.
    I already got that.
     
    James C. Reeves, Dec 21, 2004
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  2. Hence "undollars" and "uncents".
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Dec 21, 2004
    #22
  3. elmo

    zonie Guest

    Changing oil at 3000 miles in a late model car or truck is a total waste of
    money. In the 50's that was okay. Oil today is much better and cars are
    cleaner. save some money and oil and read your owners manual and see what
    your manufacturer says. { not your dealer, he wants you back often}.
    Scott
     
    zonie, Dec 21, 2004
    #23
  4. elmo

    HachiRoku Guest

    Yeah, it's safe.

    Running an engine without oil=unsafe.
     
    HachiRoku, Dec 21, 2004
    #24
  5. elmo

    Philip Guest

    Ever wonder why synthetics have not caught on in the diesel arena?
    Particularly in passenger car diesels which routinely foul their oil very
    quickly?
     
    Philip, Dec 21, 2004
    #25
  6. elmo

    Philip Guest

    I have an old Nissan diesel in a pickup. The manual states no more than
    3,000 miles per change and if driven in severe conditions, 2,200 miles tops.
    You would CRINGE to see what this engine does to its oil by 3,000 miles of
    mixed freeway/town use, running Shell Rotella T. Your gasoline engines would
    be sludging up badly if their oil was allowed to get this foul.
     
    Philip, Dec 21, 2004
    #26
  7. elmo

    Philip Guest

    If our oils also carried the MB (Mercedes Benz) oil rating system on the
    label, you would see that API sets the MINIMUM performance standard ... not
    the actual performance level of the oil above the minimum.
     
    Philip, Dec 21, 2004
    #27
  8. This is a pretty manufactured comparison. As a point of fact, I have never
    paid more
    than $1.00 per quart of dino oil. I wait until it goes on sale. Dan is
    probably only
    used to buying stuff at places like NAPA and doesen't realize that the
    Checkers/Kragen/Schucks
    people regularly discount dino oil, sometimes down to 49 cents a quart with
    rebate.

    I would be happy to post scans of my last 5-6 cash register receipts that
    clearly
    show oil purchases at below $1.00 a quart if someone here wants to continue
    the rediculous claim that dino oil costs $2.10 a quart. And this is from
    this year
    since I buy as many cases as I can at the $1.00 a quart cost when it does go
    on sale. And this is name brand Chevron or Havoline oil also.

    By contrast it is -extremely- rare for synthetic oil to be discounted - and
    when it
    is discounted, invariably it is only via rebate - and the fine print only
    allows 1 rebate
    per year per household. And also it isn't discounted much.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Dec 21, 2004
    #28
  9. elmo

    Rob Munach Guest

    They are used regularly in the heavy truck market, however. (I also use
    it in my tractor).
     
    Rob Munach, Dec 21, 2004
    #29
  10. elmo

    Rob Munach Guest

    Nonsense. Put AMSOIL in an sludged up motor and see what happens.
     
    Rob Munach, Dec 21, 2004
    #30
  11. elmo

    aarcuda69062 Guest

    What if there is no Checkers/Kragen/Schucks stores in the
    vacinity?
    I only recognize the name from seeing it on TV.
    We've got NAPA and CarQuest and a few department stores.
    The cheapest I've seen the house brand (Valvoline) at NAPA and
    CarQuest is $.99 a quart.
    Don't know about the Chevron but the Havoline, yeesh, what tar!
    And when I say tar, I mean experience from being inside engines
    that has had it's oil changed religiously every 3K miles and the
    owners have used Havoline exclusively since the vehicle was new.
    NAPA has Mobil 1 on sale for the month of December for $3.99 a
    quart, Walmart almost always has 5 quart jugs for (IIRC) $19.88,
    sometime less.

    It would seem for some people, it would take just as much
    manufacturing to achieve the price point you claim as it would
    for Daniel's claim.
     
    aarcuda69062, Dec 21, 2004
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  12. elmo

    aarcuda69062 Guest

    Ya know, this -had- to happen!!
     
    aarcuda69062, Dec 21, 2004
    #32
  13. Right on cue, here we go with Scamsoil again...
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Dec 21, 2004
    #33
  14. They have.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Dec 21, 2004
    #34
  15. FWIW, that is the message I get from my gear-head younger brother. He tells
    me it leaves crusty carbon that just won't dissolve with anything throughout
    engines.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Dec 21, 2004
    #35
  16. My $.02 worth... I have never used Amsoil but it is a mainstream product.
    Not magic, I'm sure, but at least some independent references give their
    products high ratings. (See, for example,
    http://www.autoeducation.com/autoshop101/oil-change-7.htm for a comparison
    of oil filters.) My trusted guys at the local NAPA recommend AMSOIL oil, but
    I've been using Mobil 1 currently.

    Other than the proselytizing, what is your complaint with AMSOIL?

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Dec 21, 2004
    #36
  17. I have changed a few of my cars from regularly changed dino to synthetic or
    (in the case of my 220K mile turbo Volvo) to synthetic blend. I do one
    change with a single quart of synthetic added to the rest of the usual
    Valvoline 5W-30, and change to synthetic 1000 miles later. The oil always
    comes out opaque black after 1K miles... but maybe the higher detergency is
    a myth. If you are wondering whether the changes were regular enough,
    consider that the original turbo has been on the Volvo for 20 years, while
    most of the Volvo gurus say 100 - 150K is the life expectancy.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Dec 21, 2004
    #37
  18. Naw, it isn't.
    We know nothing about how "independent" this source is.
    ....and will be happy to sell it to you, I'm sure.
    Fuhgeddaboudit. Go hit googlegroups.

    DS
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Dec 21, 2004
    #38
  19. Latest inductee into the "bad oil of the year" club, eh? We've heard the
    same ghost stories about Pennzoil, Quaker State, and probably every other
    major brand at one time or another...
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Dec 21, 2004
    #39
  20. Here's some of the text of the "high rating" Scamsoil filters are given by
    your "independent reference":

    " The AMSOIL company recommends changing their filters at 12,500 mile or 6
    month increments. Based on their numbers, this seems reasonable. They have
    better capacity and stronger construction which should allow them to
    achieve longer change intervals. Since AMSOIL filters have been
    recommended for these intervals for about 20 years, it seems reasonable
    that they know what they're talking about."
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Dec 21, 2004
    #40
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