Wit's End: 1992 Accord EX Automatic Hesitation Problem

Discussion in 'Accord' started by NJSS, Jan 24, 2005.

  1. NJSS

    NJSS Guest

    Over the years, I have been a loyal reader of this group. My sincerest thanks
    to everyone who has been a participant.

    My 1992 Accord EX with 167,000 miles has an unbelievable hesitation problem
    between 18-2,000 rpm after it warms up. If I'm cruising in that range and try
    to accelerate, there is hesitation then and when I press harder it makes this
    sound like a percolator, almost a slight backfire.

    I noticed the PVC valve hose was collapsed, so I replaced both the valve and
    the hose. Otherwise, starting, cold acceleration, cruising and turning-off are
    all OK. Plugs are new, coolant is full, the temperature gauge is normal, air
    and gas filters are new and the 'check engine' light doesn't come on.

    I've taken it to multiple technicians and none have ever seen anything like
    this. Since it seems to be temp-related, does the EFI system have a seperate
    sensor from the temp guage? Other theories include oil getting past the valve
    seals at certain times, although oil consumtion is normal and I use only Mobil
    1.

    Thanks in advance,

    Jimbo


    JIMBO
     
    NJSS, Jan 24, 2005
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    SoCalMike Guest

    timing, maybe? dirty throttle body?
     
    SoCalMike, Jan 25, 2005
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    motsco_ _ Guest

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    I always try the cheapest fixes first . . I'd run two tanks of Gasohol
    thru it and see if anything changes. It could be that your timing belt
    has jumped one tooth, but cam timing is easy to check. If you said it
    sometimes also stalls (at stop sign) during the first three minutes of
    warm-up, I'd say it had tight valves.

    If 1,800 - 2,000 rpm happens to be your usual highway cruising speed,
    it's your Throttle Position Sensor, especially if you do long drives on
    the prairies.

    'Curly'
     
    motsco_ _, Jan 25, 2005
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    jim beam Guest

    have been having an identical problem & finally managed to solve it this
    weekend.

    first, eliminate the usual suspects, like gummed up injectors & pcv
    valves, ignition system, etc. i did all this, and while a new pcv valve
    made a difference for me, and the injector cleaner [started spitting
    filth all over the tandem valve in my dual injector civic], the problem
    improved significantly, but never went completely away. and it had been
    mostly ok in summer heat, but a couple of times driving up that big hill
    on the 5 out of l.a., it started to over heat. thought it was just the
    fact that i was gunning it & the weather was over 100F.

    bottom line, i finally decided to test my thermostat. well, not only
    was it opening at nearly 90C, as opposed to 78C, it also wasn't opening
    fully. so, new oem thermostat [plus thermostat rubber - very important
    as the original was pretty much ready to fall apart] and the car's just
    perfect again.

    oh, and regarding throttle position sensor, that is a potential cause,
    but you'll /definitely/ get a code from the computer if that's detected.
    you won't from the thermostat.
     
    jim beam, Jan 25, 2005
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    Mike Guest


    1800-2000 RPM hesitation could possibly suggest classic EGR system
    problems. In particular, some clogged EGR ports from carbon build up,
    causing an overflow of EGR gases to enter other unclogged passages. To
    test, disable the EGR by
    removing and plugging the vacuum hose from the valve and test drive.
    Note: If the CEL illuminates, then reset after testing.

    Honda dealers sell the replacement port access plugs for those who are
    DIYers. The dealerships probably do this service more often then you
    think, since these cars have racked up alot of miles. A while back,
    someone posted a link to EGR port cleaning. Try googling around for more
    info or get an estimate from a reliable shop or dealer to do the service,
    if this is indeed the case.

    Just a thought...Good Luck
     
    Mike, Jan 25, 2005
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    Tech21 Guest

    Cured my wife's Prelude of a very similar problem by replacing the
    distributor cap and rotor arm, the old cap had dampness inside that always
    came back no matter how often I cleaned it (even baked them in the oven for
    2 hours @ 100 degrees C)and this made no difference.

    Had the same problem many years ago with a 1976 Toyota Celica that would
    start to cut out as the engine temp approached normal. This (I eventually
    found out) was caused by having water down the sparkplug wells (not much
    either about a teaspoon full or so in each) this got in when I had the
    engine Steam Cleaned and was only a problem when the engine reached
    sufficent temperature to turn the water into sream, which couldn't escape,
    before the engine reached full temp there was no problem and as it was
    winter and most days were sub zero I was having to go 8 or 9 miles before
    the car reached full temp and work was only 4 miles away.

    Hope this is of some use

    G
     
    Tech21, Feb 2, 2005
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