you think chery is next honda?

hondas are amazing cars...but what do you think about chinese cars like
zhonghua and chery....china will eventually create better engines and
styling methods than japanese..

check http://www.chinacarforums.com

 

No they won't. Red China couldn't wipe its own ass if they didn't have
somebody to copy.

The Red Chinese produced the most godawful shit before Westerners went over
there to tell them how to do things, and if we ever go away, they will
return to making godawful shit. Their culture doesn't support innovation
and quality.

I do think Chery will be the next Hyundai Pony...

 

No they won't. Red China couldn't wipe its own ass if they didn't have
somebody to copy.

The Red Chinese produced the most godawful shit before Westerners went over
there to tell them how to do things, and if we ever go away, they will
return to making godawful shit. Their culture doesn't support innovation
and quality.[/QUOTE]

Americans said that about the Japanese, and the Japanese say that about
the Koreans.

 

Americans said that about the Japanese, and the Japanese say that about
the Koreans.[/QUOTE]


You're right.

We're going to rue the day that we sent manufacturing overseas. Hope I
don't live long enough to see it...

JT

 

Americans said that about the Japanese, and the Japanese say that
about the Koreans.
[/QUOTE]


Well yeah, but China is still Communist, which Korea and Japan never were.

 

Well yeah, but China is still Communist, which Korea and Japan never were.[/QUOTE]

In the day and age of the mighty dollar, where people whine about no
jobs but go to Wal-Mart because it's "cheaper," that simply doesn't
matter.

 

The Japanese are the same way. The last original idea they had was the
attack on Pearl Harbor, and we all know how THAT turned out.

 

In the day and age of the mighty dollar, where people whine about no
jobs but go to Wal-Mart because it's "cheaper,"[/QUOTE]



People have done that since the days of the village smithy.

It does. Japan eventually figured out how to make stuff really well. The
Commies never figured out how to make a good Yugo or Trabant.

 

It does. Japan eventually figured out how to make stuff really well. The
Commies never figured out how to make a good Yugo or Trabant.[/QUOTE]

That's because they didn't have the US as a market before.

If you think China is nothing but communist and that they don't play in
the capitalist game, you're naive. They are in the capitalist game to
stay, and to win.

 

That's because they didn't have the US as a market before.

If you think China is nothing but communist and that they don't play in
the capitalist game, you're naive. They are in the capitalist game to
stay, and to win.[/QUOTE]

And they will be doing well at it. More and more we see western
trained employees forming their own companies and competing head to
head with the original company. As the controls from the government
lessen you will see more Chinese pushing into the market. We are just
training them the same we did with the Japanese, and now the Japanese
tend to be much better at manufacturing (delivering a quality product
at a cheap price) than the USA. I could see the same thing happening
with the Chinese.

 

bound to happen, though. wherever things are made, if they can be made
cheaper elsewhere, they will.

 

because there was nothing in it for the individual. design and build a
beautiful, reliable, simple car, and your salary is the same as the
person that designs and builds a P.O.S.

in other words, why bother?

 

How about inexpensive cars that don't break. That was pretty
original. (Also invented expensive cars that don't break.)

 

Correct. And in addition to that, much of China's labor pool is illegal.
They've migrated from the country to the cities without permission. If it's
found out they've left the farm without permission, the farm is confiscated
by the state. hundreds of thousands have given up the farms anyway, as
they're money-losers.

Similarly to illegal Mexicans in SoCal, it's therefore easy for
unscrupulous employers to cheap out on wages. The threat of ratting the
workers out to the authorities is enough to make the workers clam up and
take it up the ass.

Every now and then the cops raid some of the various illegal cardboard-box
shantytowns in Shanghai and other large cities, and order the inhabitants
to go back home to the farm or get arrested.

That and other factors are preventing the normal upward pressure on wages
that eventually brings countries to near labor par. Japan was once a cheap-
labor place too, but not any more!

The Chinese do absolutely nothing themselves. *ALL* the products you see
over here that say Made In China are designed, directed and imported by
Americans and Canadians who went over there to take advantage of cheap
Chinese labor. I personally deal with many customers and suppliers who have
gone over to China to get things made that would be impossible to make and
sell here because of the labor component.

China is a right royal mess and will continue to be so for the foreseeable
future. Which is to our benefit. Much of the stuff that's made over there
would simply never be made at all if manufacturers had to pay our labor
rates.

 

That's because they didn't have the US as a market before.

If you think China is nothing but communist and that they don't play
in the capitalist game, you're naive. They are in the capitalist game
to stay, and to win.
[/QUOTE]



I disagree. You cannot have a centrally-controlled economy that is a free
economy. People get rich when an economy is free.

Centrally controlled economies are poor economies. China is poor and will
stay poor forever so long as their government insists on central control.
WE are the ones who benefit on on the backs of the Chinese people. Our
dollar goes farther, and their the ones subsisting on a cup of rice a day.

See my other most recent post.

 

I disagree. You cannot have a centrally-controlled economy that is a free
economy. People get rich when an economy is free.[/QUOTE]

Nobody said they were going to play the capitalist game by our rules.

But make no mistake: the central government is going to flex its
economic powers in a very capitalistic way. In some ways, they'll be
like Japan where economic power is managed very centrally (MITI).

 

Tell that to Japan's MITI and titans of industry.

 

Up to a few years ago, I was a frequent traveler to the orient and can
assure you that the region of southern China adjoining Hong Kong/Taiwan
is indeed capitalist infested.

The real danger from China is its unprecedented military buildup (being
financed by the sale of consumer goods to western economies).

While the central government in Beijing has a tight reign on the
military and defense, it is content to let the capitalist based
businesses carry on in the big picture...

JT

 

Nobody said they were going to play the capitalist game by our rules.

But make no mistake: the central government is going to flex its
economic powers in a very capitalistic way. In some ways, they'll be
like Japan where economic power is managed very centrally (MITI).[/QUOTE]



The weakest part of the Japanese and Chinese economies is their banking systems.

In Japan, the central bank's continuous policy of maintaining low
interest rates allows little wiggle room for flexing economic conditions worldwide.

China, OTOH, maintains an artificially low currency value which sooner
or later will have to be resolved and along with that will come a (maybe
temporary) setback to their economy.

JT

 

China monkeys FAR more heavily in industry than MITI ever did. China may
have what appears to be a free economy, but it does not. The region of
China near Hong Kong is granted official privileges not readily available
to other areas of China.

They don't need low-profit consumer goods to make money. The Soviets, for
example, built their military on sales of gold, oil and diamonds.

Wouldn't surprise me to find out the Chinese have been selling heroin and
other drugs to us. The profit on that stuff dwarfs consumer goods. That's
how Al-Qaeda finances itself, as do all the urban North American gangs.

China also gives companies a subsidy for each worker hired, which
discourages automation. This, along with highly restrictive internal
immigration policy, ensures that Chinese productivity will remain very,
very low for the foreseeable future. Japan never did those things.

Gains in wealth come with gains in productivity. The Chinese people will
remain low-wage serfs to North American importers. Forever.